Better Defense: Winky Wright or Pernell Whitaker?

[BoxingGenius27]

Pretty sure I didn't say that, but whatever.

I may have said quite clearly as in it's hard to score it for Collazo, which I think it is. Regardless to the fact being close.

No, you did. Check towards the end of the "Miguel Cotto greatest of this era" thread.

1. Why are you counting the fighters loss's?

I'm counting fighters losses because we're talking about resume's. Loss's actually work in your favor considering Whitaker lost to Trinidad, ODLH, Vasquez, and drew with JCC. While Wright beat Trinidad, Mosley, and Quartey.
2. Why have you included Quartey for Wright?

I included because Quartey because he was a beast. The only fighter to beat him cleanly was Wright. His losses against ODLH, Forrest, and Vargas can be disputed.

Also, behind Azumah Nelson, Quartey is 2nd on the list of greatest fighters to come out of Ghana. It was definitely a solid win for Winky.

3. Why have you left out Ramirez x2, Vasquez, Haugen and Penelton for Whitaker?

I left out the above fighters for the same reason I left out Sam Solliman, Andrew Counsil, Harry Simon and Julio Ceaser Vasquez for Wright.

See above.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm counting fighters losses because we're talking about resume's. Loss's actually work in your favor considering Whitaker lost to Trinidad, ODLH, Vasquez, and drew with JCC. While Wright beat Trinidad, Mosley, and Quartey.

Why would you include loss's on a resume?

Do you include jobs you didn't get on your resume?

And Whitaker didn't lose to Vasquez.

I included because Quartey because he was a beast. The only fighter to beat him cleanly was Wright. His losses against ODLH, Forrest, and Vargas can be disputed.

Also, behind Azumah Nelson, Quartey is 2nd on the list of greatest fighters to come out of Ghana. It was definitely a solid win for Winky.

Quartey hadn't won a legit fight in years at that point. He was just a name.

And his loss to Forrest was pretty clear also. Not a shut out but it's hard to argue with the descision.

I left out the above fighters for the same reason I left out Sam Solliman, Andrew Counsil, Harry Simon and Julio Ceaser Vasquez for Wright.

Those names do not compare to Sam Solliman or Andrew Council.

Andrew Council was a solid win for Winky no question but it does not compare to beating Ramirez for example. Not even close.

And Wright lost to Simon and Vasquez.

[BoxingGenius27]

Beats the heck out of complaining, or better yet he could have fouled too.

Right, cause when you can't beat a fighter within the rules and all else fails, you should resort to cheating and dirty tactics. I agree.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

People selling Winky short like hes not a defensive wizard. Ey but as far as resume is there ANY fighter that Pernell beat that P4P wise Winky wouldnt beat.

Seriously.

[BoxingGenius27]

Why would you include loss's on a resume?

Do you include jobs you didn't get on your resume?

And Whitaker didn't lose to Vasquez.



Quartey hadn't won a legit fight in years at that point. He was just a name.

And his loss to Forrest was pretty clear also. Not a shut out but it's hard to argue with the descision.



Those names do not compare to Sam Solliman or Andrew Council.

Andrew Council was a solid win for Winky no question but it does not compare to beating Ramirez for example. Not even close.

And Wright lost to Simon and Vasquez.

Alright this is getting rather repetitive. If you think 2nd group of fighters you mentioned should be considered in the same breath as the 1st group, I don't know what to tell you.

Secondly, if you think Hatton beat collazo and Forrest "clearly" beat Quartey, I definitely don't know what to tell you. In fact, since I can't embed, post an embeded video of Forrest vs Quartey and include a poll. I'll bet "real" money on people that would clearly say Quartey was robbed in that fight. I'm not sure you even watched that fight.

Well it was fun debating with you my friend but we're going in circles here.

[BoxingGenius27]

People selling Winky short like hes not a defensive wizard. Ey but as far as resume is there ANY fighter that Pernell beat that P4P wise Winky wouldnt beat.

Seriously.

Thank you....

[IronDanHamza]

Alright this is getting rather repetitive. If you think 2nd group of fighters you mentioned should be considered in the same breath as the 1st group, I don't know what to tell you.

I can only assume you didn't live in that era.

There is really not much difference between Ramirez and Jermain Taylor in terms of quality.

You include Bruno McKart and Buddy McGirt but for some reason Haugen should not?

Why?

Secondly, if you think Hatton beat collazo and Forrest "clearly" beat Quartey, I definitely don't know what to tell you. In fact, since I can't embed, post an embeded video of Forrest vs Quartey and include a poll. I'll bet "real" money on people that would clearly say Quartey was robbed in that fight. I'm not sure you even watched that fight.

See, this is obviously were you're orginal confusion is coming from.

I'm not saying Forrest and Hatton would have been robbed if they lost those fights, in a absolute clear manner.

I am saying the fights are close, but the right man won.

I did watch that fight, but in all honesty, I watched it live, and haven't rewatched it a single time.. Considering Quartey I had no intrerest at that point considering his best days were long long behind him.

Well it was fun debating with you my friend but we're going in circles here.

Cool, brother.

[IronDanHamza]

People selling Winky short like hes not a defensive wizard. Ey but as far as resume is there ANY fighter that Pernell beat that P4P wise Winky wouldnt beat.

Seriously.

Not sure what that has to do with resume.

Is there any fighter that Mayweather beat that Winky wouldn't beat?

Same with Pacquiao.

Same with Barrera and Morales.

I'm sure nobody would argue that Winky has a better resume than those 4 fighters, for example.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Not sure what that has to do with resume.

Is there any fighter that Mayweather beat that Winky wouldn't beat?

Same with Pacquiao.

Same with Barrera and Morales.

I'm sure nobody would argue that Winky has a better resume than those 4 fighters, for example.

Thats my point. Resume has nothing to do with the argument for Pernell. Everyone knows he has a better resume. Doesnt mean hes better defensively.

Both styles are JUST as effective. They are simply just different styles.

[MarkMiner]

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Winky Wright got good defense because of them long ass arms. He don't throw you off just blocks, so Pernell Whitaker.