Better Defense: Winky Wright or Pernell Whitaker?

[IronDanHamza]

1. Not only did Winky fight and destroy a 42-1 Trinidad, but many believe he beat Hopkins after Wright came off a year and a half layoff. I'm not sure if you read my post but I clearly stated "Wright was better defensively, not fighter". I also clearly stated that we're debating resume's. I'm not sure where you think I said Wright was the better fighter?

Trinidad wasn't even ranked at 160 when Winky Wright beat him. Not even close to as good as Whitakers win over Azumah Nelson.

Who believes Wright beat Hopkins? Hopkins won the fight pretty clearly.

You said he has a better resume, which he certainly has not.

2. How convenient of you to say JCC was past his prime when he got KO'd. Even though he was 96-1. FYI, the fight was a draw between Whitaker and JCC. I'm not sure why you said he beat JCC? If that's the case, the same can be said that Wright beat Hopkins.

So, you don't think Chavez wasn't past his prime in 1996?

The fight was scored a draw between Whitaker and Chavez. However, Whitaker CLEARLY won and was robbed. Which is why I said he won. Before you say it, this is NOT subjective. Whitaker won the fight, by a wide margin.

Well, it's not the same as Wright Hopkins because Wright lost to Hopkins quite clearly as opposed to Whitaker who clearly beat Chavez.

Whitaker-Chavez is like Johnson-Pastrano, Casamayor-Santa Cruz, Lewis-Holyfield 1, etc etc etc CLEAR, outright robberies.

3. hahahaha I'm not even going to compare Wright's opponents to Azuman Nelson. Nelson was one of the best fighters from Ghana, but that's as far as it goes.

Well, you kind of already did.

You compared Jermain Taylor and Trinidad in the mid 00's to Azumah Nelson. Which is frankly abserd.

Azumah Nelson is bonafied HOF'er. Comparing him to Jermain Taylor to start is an outright insult.

You're clearly approaching this argument subjectively. The one Objective post I made regarding top opponent punch land ratio fighter's, you did nothing but discredit the facts.

It's not really subjective though.

It's a fact that Whitakers accomplishments rastically outweigh Wrights, for example.

It's also a fact that Azumah Nelson is greater than Jermain Taylor by a wide wide margin.

And the 'objective' things that you have 'presented', You haven't even presented.....

Not dis*****g that you have them, but no one in this thread has seen them, atleast.

And as I said, punch stat records are far from the be all and end all.

As I stated; 1. They aren't always accurate and 2. Punch stats don't determin anything in terms of who is better than another defensively.

[BoxingGenius27]

If Azumah's prime didn't reach the early 90s, then I'd be surprised because he performed very well against Fenech. Those two fights are extremely underrated, hardly see people bring them up. Especially the way he fought off the ropes in the rematch. Still, that was a VERY VERY good version Azumah Nelson.

I think you should direct your question at Mr. IronDan. He was the one that said Nelson's prime was in the 80's. I was just using his quote to prove my point of who the older fighter between Wright and Nelson was.

[IronDanHamza]

Pay close attention to my post. Nelson's prime was in the 80's. Winky's prime was early to mid 2000's.

Now ask yourself, who is the older fighter and you will see the point I was making. Which is based on your post history, you clearly show favortism to older fighters.

Of course Nelson is the older of the two fighters but Nelson is hardly an old timer..

Oh I favor old fighters, yeah ok.

Yet, Floyd Mayweather Jr is amongst my Top 5 favourite fighters of all time.

[BoxingGenius27]

Trinidad wasn't even ranked at 160 when Winky Wright beat him. Not even close to as good as Whitakers win over Azumah Nelson.

Ok so now we're going off rankings? Trinidad's only loss was to Hopkins. He was coming off a big win against Mayorga. Trinidad was the heavy favorite. When that fight took place, Trinidad had already fought for over 10 years while only losing 1 bout against Hopkins. I'm sure the Trinidad fans are loving how you're discrediting Trinidad now.

Who believes Wright beat Hopkins? Hopkins won the fight pretty clearly.

You said he has a better resume, which he certainly has not.

Who believes? I believe. Just like you thought Hatton clearly beat Collazo, many people beg to differ. I thought Wright, clearly beat Hopkins.


So, you don't think Chavez wasn't past his prime in 1996?

Ok so now we have a "past his prime meter". Tell me the official fight JCC was over his prime. Please don't mention one where he won by KO... Also how do you explain JCC's 50 or so victories before he got KO'd by ODLH? Now are you discrediting JCC's opponents/victories also? I think so because if JCC's opponents lost to an "over the hill" JCC, what does that make his opponents?


The fight was scored a draw between Whitaker and Chavez. However, Whitaker CLEARLY won and was robbed. Which is why I said he won. Before you say it, this is NOT subjective. Whitaker won the fight, by a wide margin.

I think Whitaker won, but at the day it's subjective. Other people thought Chavez one. This can go both ways and you know it.

Well, it's not the same as Wright Hopkins because Wright lost to Hopkins quite clearly as opposed to Whitaker who clearly beat Chavez.

Whitaker-Chavez is like Johnson-Pastrano, Casamayor-Santa Cruz, Lewis-Holyfield 1, etc etc etc CLEAR, outright robberies.

This is soooo not true. I saw the fight first hand. It was a very close fight, that many thought Wright won.



You compared Jermain Taylor and Trinidad in the mid 00's to Azumah Nelson. Which is frankly abserd.

Azumah Nelson is bonafied HOF'er. Comparing him to Jermain Taylor to start is an outright insult.

Taylor does have 2 wins over a bonified HOF'er in Hopkins. Some believe Hopkins won the first fight. I can understand that. But as you were discrediting Taylor, you forgot to mention the other 2 fighters that I ranked over Nelson.


It's a fact that Whitakers accomplishments rastically outweigh Wrights, for example.

Not true and I've explained why. Older doesn't always mean better.


It's also a fact that Azumah Nelson is greater than Jermain Taylor by a wide wide margin.

Not dis*****g that you have them, but no one in this thread has seen them, atleast.

And as I said, punch stat records are far from the be all and end all.

As I stated; 1. They aren't always accurate and 2. Punch stats don't determin anything in terms of who is better than another defensively.

It's there, just a matter of finding the article. I wouldn't make it up.

How else can you rate a fighters defensive ability without looking at how many times they get hit?

See above. I can't multi-post.

[BoxingGenius27]

Of course Nelson is the older of the two fighters but Nelson is hardly an old timer..

Oh I favor old fighters, yeah ok.

Yet, Floyd Mayweather Jr is amongst my Top 5 favourite fighters of all time.

IronDan, listing Mayweather as one of your favorite fighters doesn't take the fact of how your post history clearly states your favortism towards older fighters.

[deejd]

I don't think Winky has ever been dropped. It's all subjective, but it's my opinion.

Good post, although the statement above isn't true. Wright's been dropped before... numerous times in one fight overseas early in his career.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I think you should direct your question at Mr. IronDan. He was the one that said Nelson's prime was in the 80's. I was just using his quote to prove my point of who the older fighter between Wright and Nelson was.

My fault...

[BoxingGenius27]

Trinidad wasn't even ranked at 160 when Winky Wright beat him. Not even close to as good as Whitakers win over Azumah Nelson.

I forgot to mention, Wright fought Trinidad for the title eliminator. Wright was also moving up in weight from 154. So if you say Trinidad wasn't fighting at his best weight, so was Wright. This was his first fight at 160.

[BoxingGenius27]

Good post, although the statement above isn't true. Wright's been dropped before... numerous times in one fight overseas early in his career.

O ok. Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

So I guess they've all been dropped?

[BoxingGenius27]

My fault...

No problem.