Better Defense: Winky Wright or Pernell Whitaker?

[IronDanHamza]

Ok so now we're going off rankings? Trinidad's only loss was to Hopkins. He was coming off a big win against Mayorga. Trinidad was the heavy favorite. When that fight took place, Trinidad had already fought for over 10 years while only losing 1 bout against Hopkins. I'm sure the Trinidad fans are loving how you're discrediting Trinidad now.

By all means, the Trinidad fight was a solid win for Winky. But it's not as good as Whitakers win over Nelson.

Who believes? I believe. Just like you thought Hatton clearly beat Collazo, many people beg to differ. I thought Wright, clearly beat Hopkins.

Well, you are one of very few.

I don't think Hatton clearly beat Collazo either. He did win, however. But, it was close.

Ok so now we have a "past his prime meter". Tell me the official fight JCC was over his prime. Please don't mention one where he won by KO... Also how do you explain JCC's 50 or so victories before he got KO'd by ODLH? Now are you discrediting JCC's opponents/victories also? I think so because if JCC's opponents lost to an "over the hill" JCC, what does that make his opponents?

So you're saying he wasn't past his prime in 96, then?

Although he clearly was..

To me, the Randall fights were clear indicators, I don't know about you, though.

I think Whitaker won, but at the day it's subjective. Other people thought Chavez one. This can go both ways and you know it.

It's not subjective, though.

Whitaker won the fight, regardless to the terrible terrible scoring.

And quite literally no one thought Chavez won.

This is soooo not true. I saw the fight first hand. It was a very close fight, that many thought Wright won.

No, I wasn't saying Wright-Hopkins was as wide as those.

But it's hard pressed claiming it's a hard fight.

Taylor does have 2 wins over a bonified HOF'er in Hopkins. Some believe Hopkins won the first fight. I can understand that. But as you were discrediting Taylor, you forgot to mention the other 2 fighters that I ranked over Nelson.

I solely mentioned Taylor becase saying Taylor is better than Nelson was the most bamboozling.

Nelson is so much better than Taylor it's incredible.

Taylor is far from being a HOF'er as opposed to Nelson who of course has already been inducted.

Not true and I've explained why. Older doesn't always mean better.

Well, you actually haven't explained why.

I'm pretty sure I broke down quite vividly why it is.

And I'm pretty sure almost anyone would agree that Whitaker has a better resume than Winky Wright.

And of course older doesn't mean better...Why would it?

It's there, just a matter of finding the article. I wouldn't make it up.

How else can you rate a fighters defensive ability without looking at how many times they get hit?

Well find it, then. There's no point saying you have it and not presenting it.

For the record I don't believe you are lying, though.

Obviously punch stats help you, but it's far from the be all and end all.

[deejd]

O ok. Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

So I guess they've all been dropped?

Definitely, but... it's part of the fight game. Good debate, by the way. From the onset, you've only stated that believed that Wright could have the more effective defense, the resume discussion is another thread.

Either way, I hear where you both are coming from. I stated before that it's too hard to choose. I saw a post where someone said that it's easier to split the guard or something along those lines, but until Wright fought PWill, nobody really split the guard. On top of that, the Wright that showed up to fight against PWill would've put hands on a lot champs from '54-'60 that night.

[BoxingGenius27]

I don't think Hatton clearly beat Collazo either. He did win, however. But, it was close.

I can quote you in another thread where you said "Hatton clearly beat Collazo".

But hey, I'm not going to get knit picky.

I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree on this one.

I think Winky had the better resume:

Winky - Trinidad, Hopkins, Mosley, Taylor, Quartey, Prime Williams, Prime Vargas, McKart

Whitaker - Trinidad, ODLH, JCC, Nelson, Buddy McGirt.

I also think Winky had the better defense. Not just because Compubox says so.

[Spray_resistant]

Winky had better D and I too thought he not only beat Hopkins but also Vargas as well.

[deejd]

I can quote you in another thread where you said "Hatton clearly beat Collazo".

But hey, I'm not going to get knit picky.

I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree on this one.

I think Winky had the better resume:

Winky - Trinidad, Hopkins, Mosley, Taylor, Quartey, Prime Williams, Prime Vargas, McKart

Whitaker - Trinidad, ODLH, JCC, Nelson, Buddy McGirt.

I also think Winky had the better defense. Not just because Compubox says so.

Taylor was in his prime as well unless it's true that Hopkins "took his soul" ha!

[Doctor_Tenma]

Don't see how Winky beat Hopkins, I thought Hopkins won very clearly. All Winky did was bitch to the ref, all while Hopkins worked.

[IronDanHamza]

I can quote you in another thread where you said "Hatton clearly beat Collazo".

But hey, I'm not going to get knit picky.

I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree on this one.

I think Winky had the better resume:

Winky - Trinidad, Hopkins, Mosley, Taylor, Quartey, Prime Williams, Prime Vargas, McKart

Whitaker - Trinidad, ODLH, JCC, Nelson, Buddy McGirt.

I also think Winky had the better defense. Not just because Compubox says so.

Pretty sure I didn't say that, but whatever.

I may have said quite clearly as in it's hard to score it for Collazo, which I think it is. Regardless to the fact being close.

1. Why are you counting the fighters loss's?

2. Why have you included Quartey for Wright?

3. Why have you left out Ramirez x2, Vasquez, Haugen and Penelton for Whitaker?

Ok, we will agree to disagree.

Do a poll maybe in another thread? See what others think about who has the better resume between Pernell Whitaker and Winky Wright.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Pretty sure I didn't say that, but whatever.

I may have said quite clearly as in it's hard to score it for Collazo, which I think it is. Regardless to the fact being close.

1. Why are you counting the fighters loss's?

2. Why have you included Quartey for Wright?

3. Why have you left out Ramirez x2, Vasquez, Haugen and Penelton for Whitaker?

Ok, we will agree to disagree.

Do a poll maybe in another thread? See what others think about who has the better resume between Pernell Whitaker and Winky Wright.

I was wondering that ^

[Spray_resistant]

Don't see how Winky beat Hopkins, I thought Hopkins won very clearly. All Winky did was bitch to the ref, all while Hopkins worked.

If by that you mean initiate clenches and foul sure then.

[Doctor_Tenma]

If by that you mean initiate clenches and foul sure then.

Beats the heck out of complaining, or better yet he could have fouled too.