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Margarito is shot but can still be dangerous. His relentless pressure can cause major problems including if you dont have the POWER to back him off you. He can still beat a fair amount of fighters out there.,Comment
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magarito is crap..........Comment
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Weak thread. How long have we been watching boxing that we still can't tell whether or not a guy is shot or sevrely weathered? Or, is this a case of building Margarito up because Pacquiao dominated and seriously injured him?
There's a reason a young guy like Paul Williams is on his way out, and fighters like Juan Diaz, Fernando Vargas, Ricky Hatton, Meldrick Taylor and Chris Arreola to some extent, all began to slide at a relatively young age. There's a reason an iron-chinned Librado Andrade, Marg himself, and Carlos Baldomir finally had their chins cracked.
Years of taking excessive punishment. Years of shaky defense and a propensity to go to war, a willingness to block punches with your face. It damages you and it accelerates your expiration.
A strong argument could be made that Margarito's last hurrah was his win over Cotto in 2008. He absorbed tremendous punishment that night, he walked through the fire in one of the ATG displays of will and toughness. Since then? He got demolished and stopped by Shane Mosley in his very next fight, suspended for two years, came back at 154 and looked average in a win over a journeyman before coming down to 150 for Pacquiao and getting his face beat in. Let's not forget either- he had trouble getting down to 147 three years ago. He returned at 154 for a reason, and moving him down to 150 was a calculated move. Not that I believe the outcome would've been any different at 154, but, as a logical thinker, I have to acknowledge the fact that a catchweight existed.
Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter, arguably the best of his generation and an ATG. That doesn't mean he should be able to piss on you and tell you it's raining. The Margarito fight was irrelevant, and not because everyone's a "*****" or Manny isn't an amazing fighter. It was irrelevant because it was irrelevant. Period. I understand the fun in arguing for your guy and taking sides in debate, but do we not, as men, get tired of all this crying, whining and hero-worship? Your guy fought a meaningless fight- wasn't the first and won't be the last time that has happened in boxing. Pacquiao gets all the credit and respect he deserves as it is, you don't have to fight so hard to defend the bulll**** too.Comment
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He's not really shot, I just think he past his prime.
A fight previous to Pacquiao's, they asked him to box, they saw that Garcia was slower and predictable but he still had power so Margarito was begged to box and not get careless because they couldn't risk a loss. That's why he didn't perform like his usual self. He could have over powered Garcia but a loss to Garcia would have ended Margarito's career. Pacquiao punished Margarito because he was hurting and his corner hurt him even more by not stopping the fight regadless of Margarito's balls.
I think Margarito needs to hang them up after his win against Cotto on Dec, because he has taken some nasty punches to his damn head.Comment
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If Margarito had been convicted of cheating he'd have been suspended for life. But the Commisiion specifically said that they were NOT accusing him of knowingly committing fraud, but that he should have been watching what the trainer was doing.
It wa obviously-to me anyway- an accident, asd described by the trainer, who took all responsibility. I care nothing about Margarito, nor indeed any fighter, except in their competence and good behaviour, but a problem and situation, always interests me. And especially the foolishness and illogicality of the posters.
If you were the trainer, and wanted to cheat, would it not be FAR easier, and completely UNNOTICEABLE, to sprinkle Plaster of Paris on a NEW pad, rather than a used one which would be instantly noticed???
The substances found on the pad were 2 elements also found in Plaster of Paris. Result...Oh...instant condemnation amongst the Boxing "intelligensia". The report WENT On to say that these substances were also found in many other products, and particularly used in COSMETICS.
To ME, immediately springs the thought that it was an absorbent powder, frequently used by boxers.
As for sprinkling Plaster of Paris powder on bandages, later to be damped by sweat, so as to harden, this myth was completely DEBUNKED by an experiment made in the early 1950's by Nat Fleischer, the Publisher (Mr. Boxing) and owner of RING Magazine, as well as a collection of experts he called together to make the experiment.
The REASON for this was that, falling on hard times, Jack Dempsey's former manager Jack (Doc) Kearns had written a book in which, to arouse interest, he'd said that he dipped Dempseys bandages into a bucket of water and then copiously sprinkled Plaster of Paris on them, thus implicating Dempsey. This was to explain the rumours always around that Dempsey's gloves were loaded when he fought and annihilated Jess Willard. Over the years many stories had emerged about pieces of iron found on the canvas after the fight, and there must by 50 or more households in America where they proudly display some hunk of metal as the authentic one used in Dempsey's gloves for that fight. Dempsey has always vehemently denied it.
To settle it once and for all, Fleisher et al followed the Kearns story exactly, and, after the Plaster of Paris had dried hard, the boxer chosen for the experiment, punched a heavy bag for a minute of so. When the gloves were taken off it was discovered that the plaster had not stood up to even the desultory few punches used, and had disintegrated into dust.
This is a true story and published in RING Magazine. I do not have the exact date, but I'm sure it can be found. I wish EVERYBODY would read this, but prejudice, malice and pure ******ity are far stronger than truth.
I feel sorry for Margarito though..............
My own only criticism of the WHOLE story of the fight is that it was reported that Dempsey (or Kearns?) had backed himself heavily to KO Willard in the 1st rd. When this was apparantly achieved, Dempsey immediately left the ring, only to be hurridly called back because the bell had rung at the count of 8 and the round had been over. So he returned and the fight eventually ended in the 3rd. Now I have NEVR heard of any fight where, as soon as the bell ends the rd, and ESPECIALLY in a World Heavyweight Title fight, the winner would abruptly leave the ring, (and have to be called back to continue). The ring would have been immediately swarming with cornermen, officials, announcers, newsmen and so forth ALL wanting to speak to the new champ who would be standing there, shaking hands and receiving congratulations by the score.
It is THIS story, which has never been questioned, which is all the more MYTHICAL to me.Comment
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