Why do people say that margarito is shot?

[Tamis!]

Not this **** again.

Margarito of circa first Cintron fight was the same Margarito who lost to Pwill, then destroyed Cotto, then got his azz whooped by Shane.

And that Marg is sure damn the same Marg that fought Pac. And I'm sure that that Marg will show up again with the Cotto rematch.

There was no telling tale to suggest Marg as shot, yeah he slowed down, but we'll never know if that was the effect of the 1yr ban.

Now can anyone of you wise-azz who's saying that Marg is shot, show some footages or anything about a trace that Marg was different in his last fights up until he fought Pacquiao.

If anyone of you found anything that'll be different which in turn hampered his boxing skills, that's the time you can call him shot!

Dang, and I don't even like the guy!

[Mr. Fantastic]

I'm sorry but Margarito is shot at this point. The war with Cotto and the beatings with Mosley/Pac took a lot out of him.

Just look at when he was prime. You'd see a different beast.

People say he's plasterless because most of them are Cotto fanatics. Him losing to Mosley(who is a first ballot HOFer and had a close fight with Cotto) and then losing to Pac(the best fighter in the world) is no shame.

[Tamis!]

Just look at when he was prime. You'd see a different beast.

IMO I see no difference onto Marg back 2005 and since he fought Pac.

It was the same old come forward Marg, the swarm/swing all he wants dynamo.

It will be hard to gauge coz speed was never a factor in Marg's arsenal.

That's why I'm asking people who say he's shot to show some footages for comparison.

Coz honestly, I just don't see it (not yet).

[D4thincarnation]

The funny thing is, you get people that say Marg is shot then say he will beat Cotto again. And say Marg used load hand wraps that fight as well.


The Marg that fought Mosley was also weight drained, had to drop far too much weight in a short space of time in camp and had the hand wrap things going in just before the fight.


When he fought Pacquiao he was in excelent shape and showed zero sign of being shot.

[intoccabile]

Why do people say that margarito is shot but yet all of his best attributes were still clearly shown in the pac fight?


heart/warrior mentality- check

chin- check

stamina- check

punch output- check

Watch his fight with Garcia.

Something is definitely missing. I strongly suggest watching earliar margy footage. He's a complete zombie now, he was just "zombie-esque" before.

[Tamis!]

Watch his fight with Garcia.

Something is definitely missing. I strongly suggest watching earliar margy footage. He's a complete zombie now, he was just "zombie-esque" before.

Then please show that "something" so we can understand.

Then again if that something is indeed something, maybe people forget that he hasn't fought since the ban after the Mosley fight.

But like I said, there wasn't any difference in Marg.

[BennyST]

Because that's what happens in boxing....when you start getting slower, hit more, hit harder and start getting knocked out, it means you're done. That's how boxing works. When they look terrible and start losing it's not because they're still in their prime. It's because they are not.

I've always found it quite fascinating that so many Pac fans think losing fights means you're even greater than before. Boxing is a simple sport. When you start to lose and look like ****e, compared to previous years etc, it's because you're getting worse, not better.

When you lose really, really badly like never before, or start losing and looking ****, while your skills dwindle it means you're done. It's that simple.

Margarito started to struggle to make weight, he had just won his career defining fight a year or so previous after losing previously and starting to slow down, felt he had achieved his dues finally, then he goes and looks shocking in a brutal KO loss, comes back and looks like shot against a journeyman, then gets the bollocks beaten off him again. That's being shot.

When Morales lost five out of six fights in a row after being a P4P great for a decade nearly and nearly never losing once, started to struggle with weight, got beaten embarrassingly bad etc etc, it's not because he's getting better. When Hatton gets knocked out in his biggest fight, comes back and looks like **** and nearly gets knocked out again against a journeyman after having a cast iron chin, it's not because he's regaining his prime. Oscar wasn't better at 147 and the drip didn't make him better.

[BennyST]

Then please show that "something" so we can understand.

Then again if that something is indeed something, maybe people forget that he hasn't fought since the ban after the Mosley fight.

But like I said, there wasn't any difference in Marg.

Do you see a difference in Pac circa 2000 and Pac now? It's either because you don't know Margarito well and his fighting style or don't know boxing enough to see when people aren't doing the things they used to do well....I suspect a bit of both.

Fighters start to slip. It's the nature of boxing. The Margarito thing is really damn simple. He looked worse than in his entire career against Mosley and got knocked out brutally. A career changing beating. He never could have recovered from that.

It's like people who say Duran was still prime after Leonard II. He was still good but he had lost everything to those who knew him well. Guys like you who say "Explain what's lost? He still has everything and is still in his prime" just don't get it. The fire was gone. That small amount of extra intensity needed in daily training that separates the best from the rest. At the elite level it's the small things and he had lost them.

If you can't see it it's because you don't know what you're even looking for. To someone who can see it, it's as bloody obvious as the sun rising.

[Kagami Taiga]

i seriously dont get how ppl think hes normal after those last three beatings he took. its totally impossible, the guy is shot or either much closer to being shot than he is prime. im willing to bet any money on it. ive seen each of those fights and there was nothing that made me say, "damn, this guy is still dangerous." thats why i cant wait for the cotto fight so ppl would put this **** to rest already.

[Tamis!]

Because that's what happens in boxing....when you start getting slower, hit more, hit harder and start getting knocked out, it means you're done. That's how boxing works. When they look terrible and start losing it's not because they're still in their prime. It's because they are not.

I've always found it quite fascinating that so many Pac fans think losing fights means you're even greater than before. Boxing is a simple sport. When you start to lose and look like ****e, compared to previous years etc, it's because you're getting worse, not better.

When you lose really, really badly like never before, or start losing and looking ****, while your skills dwindle it means you're done. It's that simple.

Margarito started to struggle to make weight, he had just won his career defining fight a year or so previous after losing previously and starting to slow down, felt he had achieved his dues finally, then he goes and looks shocking in a brutal KO loss, comes back and looks like shot against a journeyman, then gets the bollocks beaten off him again. That's being shot.

When Morales lost five out of six fights in a row after being a P4P great for a decade nearly and nearly never losing once, started to struggle with weight, got beaten embarrassingly bad etc etc, it's not because he's getting better. When Hatton gets knocked out in his biggest fight, comes back and looks like **** and nearly gets knocked out again against a journeyman after having a cast iron chin, it's not because he's regaining his prime. Oscar wasn't better at 147 and the drip didn't make him better.

Fair enough.

But in your opinion would the ban on Marg had to do with his lackluster performance with a journeyman? Ring rust?

And his beating to Pac was just because he was stylistically wrong for Pac? Styles makes fights?

Not trolling, I'm just sick and tired of "The NSB's criteria to be Shot".

IMO I'd reserve my judgement this December when Marg fights Cotto.