Manny Pacquiao has 1 good WW win imo

[$tate of Mind]

Well if that's the case then I don't know any WW who has more than 1 good win at WW in the last 10 years.

Explain to me how DLH, Clottey, and Mosley are good wins?

[jrosales13]

Explain to me how DLH, Clottey, and Mosley are good wins?

Well in the DLH fight nobody really thought he was going to win. Matter of fact that was suppose to be cherry picking in favor of Oscar.

Clottey is solid, not a bad fighter. And, never lost as decisively as he did against Pac.

But, I think you misread my post. I can agree that Pac has only one good win if you want to pick a part his resume. But, we can pick apart every resume that it would make it seem as if every WW in the last 10 years have only one good win.

[MaD RoBoT]

Lol, where do I begin? What the hell does where Clottey was ranked in 2009 have to do with when Pacquiao fought him in 2010? Was Clottey a title holder, was Clottey coming off a big win, who has Clottey ever beat? Your even trying to defend the Mosley fight? Damn brah, Pac cherry picked Mosley after he was dominated by Floyd and drawed with freaking Sergio Mora, that was a disgraceful fight. The same people who use WW rankings to justify Manny's cherry picks call Berto a bum even though he was a top 5 WW. Here are some guys Pacquiao should have fought at 147, Bradley, Berto, Ortiz, etc. Berto would've been a much better fight for Pac than Mosley. Manny has been fighting nothing but past prime fighters coming off bad performances. I'm not impressed, it's posters like you that make me dislike Manny even more. You even brought up Margarito, smh. Manny is bsing period.

are you referring that Pac should fight them now or back then?

[crillz]

I feel like the only win Manny had at 47 that you could even bicker in the least bit about was Oscar, Oscar hadn't been at 47 for 10 years and didn't look too good in his tune up fight with Forbes, he was getting beaten up in sparring and overall he wasn't the same Oscar he was before not so much in his prime but as a fighter with something to offer, he had nothing to offer Manny except his unguarded face and it was almost as sad seeing that as it was to see Oscar beat down Julio Cesar Chavez Sr into a crimson mask

other than Oscar De La Hoya if you discredit Manny for ANY win at Welterweight you need to re evaluate your thoughts. I know a lot of people bicker about the Mosley fight but think about it like this if Manny wasn't as fast and unpredictable as he is do you think Shane would have fought that way? if Manny didn't present so many things to Shane that made Shane fight so defensive do you think Shane would have fought that way?

Shane only fought that way because Manny gave him something fierce to look out for, something that not even Floyd gave Shane and that was the vulnerable feeling of being hurt. Manny pounced on Shane with shots that could have knocked him out, Floyd kept him in place and dominated Shane more than Manny (which in my opinion is a more emphatic way to win) but Manny bombed Shane and hurt him which is a different dynamic overall

it's one thing to miss a punch and get countered all night to a point where you look silly BUT you not really hurt, you wouldn't have to back peddle as much and you CAN remain offensive but it's different when you miss a punch and the punch that counters you had enough pop in it to KO you right where you stand which is what Manny presented to him, you respond to the punch completely different.

there was an urgency in Shane against Manny that he didn't really have against Floyd because for as strong and as skilled as Floyd is in the ring his thing is to make it a mental war not so much a physical one but Manny's intent is to obliterate you and Shane just couldn't find the answer for him, everytime he attempted a initiative in the fight he got hit with a surprisingly hard counter shot that he didn't see coming

that is NOT Manny Pacquiao's fault by any means and if you ask me it only makes him look better in my eyes that he was able to break through the heart of a guy like Shane Mosley whom was one of Boxing's most reputed tough men even if he isn't that anymore today. I don't think the other wins at 47 are really discredited much so no need to elaborate on those, besides if you take away from those wins then you're either bitter(like how I used to be before maturity kicked my ass) or just a hater who isn't worth the time nor debate anyway..

[$tate of Mind]

Well in the DLH fight nobody really thought he was going to win. Matter of fact that was suppose to be cherry picking in favor of Oscar.

Clottey is solid, not a bad fighter. And, never lost as decisively as he did against Pac.

But, I think you misread my post. I can agree that Pac has only one good win if you want to pick a part his resume. But, we can pick apart every resume that it would make it seem as if every WW in the last 10 years have only one good win.

Ok fair enough, I even said the Clottey win was solid. I never said Clottey was a bum.

[neoz]

Lets look at who Manny has fought at WW:

DLH - seriously dude was on IV's and hadn't fought at WW in about 10 years, and was busted up by freaking Steve Forbes in his previous fight. DLH was shot and retired right after the fight.

Cotto - a good win for Manny but nothing more. Cotto was annihilated by Margarito and hasn't been the same since. After the Marg fight Cotto beat a bum for a vacant belt in Jennings and had a very close fight with Clottey, wow so what?

Clottey - this is a solid win but Clottey has never beaten anybody of consequence and he was coming off a loss to Cotto. Furthermore, the fight was boring as hell and Josh didn't even put up a fight.

Mosley-

JMM is next. So somebody please explain to me how Manny's WW run is so impressive?

Beside poofter.
You just name every top WW in your list.
Who Manny to fight? Hercules?

[$tate of Mind]

are you referring that Pac should fight them now or back then?

I think Manny should've fought Berto instead of Mosley and I think he should be fighting Ortiz instead of JMM. Those are better fights imo. Manny can still fight Bradley in the future and I will give him props for doing so, if Bradley isn't coming off a loss or bad performance.

[Kagami Taiga]

I think Manny should've fought Berto instead of Mosley and I think he should be fighting Ortiz instead of JMM. Those are better fights imo. Manny can still fight Bradley in the future and I will give him props for doing so, if Bradley isn't coming off a loss or bad performance.

the excuse for those poor fights if im not mistaken was that it was floyds fault for not fighting manny. so, yea, manny is excused from fighting any live opponenets until floyd steps in the ring with him because we all know, without there even being a fight, that manny omgwtfpwns berto, bradley and ortiz. so insted he should be allowed to fight clottey, margarito mosely and jmm. its simple.

[$tate of Mind]

I feel like the only win Manny had at 47 that you could even bicker in the least bit about was Oscar, Oscar hadn't been at 47 for 10 years and didn't look too good in his tune up fight with Forbes, he was getting beaten up in sparring and overall he wasn't the same Oscar he was before not so much in his prime but as a fighter with something to offer, he had nothing to offer Manny except his unguarded face and it was almost as sad seeing that as it was to see Oscar beat down Julio Cesar Chavez Sr into a crimson mask

other than Oscar De La Hoya if you discredit Manny for ANY win at Welterweight you need to re evaluate your thoughts. I know a lot of people bicker about the Mosley fight but think about it like this if Manny wasn't as fast and unpredictable as he is do you think Shane would have fought that way? if Manny didn't present so many things to Shane that made Shane fight so defensive do you think Shane would have fought that way?

Shane only fought that way because Manny gave him something fierce to look out for, something that not even Floyd gave Shane and that was the vulnerable feeling of being hurt. Manny pounced on Shane with shots that could have knocked him out, Floyd kept him in place and dominated Shane more than Manny (which in my opinion is a more emphatic way to win) but Manny bombed Shane and hurt him which is a different dynamic overall

it's one thing to miss a punch and get countered all night to a point where you look silly BUT you not really hurt, you wouldn't have to back peddle as much and you CAN remain offensive but it's different when you miss a punch and the punch that counters you had enough pop in it to KO you right where you stand which is what Manny presented to him, you respond to the punch completely different.

there was an urgency in Shane against Manny that he didn't really have against Floyd because for as strong and as skilled as Floyd is in the ring his thing is to make it a mental war not so much a physical one but Manny's intent is to obliterate you and Shane just couldn't find the answer for him, everytime he attempted a initiative in the fight he got hit with a surprisingly hard counter shot that he didn't see coming

that is NOT Manny Pacquiao's fault by any means and if you ask me it only makes him look better in my eyes that he was able to break through the heart of a guy like Shane Mosley whom was one of Boxing's most reputed tough men even if he isn't that anymore today. I don't think the other wins at 47 are really discredited much so no need to elaborate on those, besides if you take away from those wins then you're either bitter(like how I used to be before maturity kicked my ass) or just a hater who isn't worth the time nor debate anyway..

What evidence did you see from Mosley in the Mayweather and Mora fights that suggested to you that he could be competitive against Manny? Mosley was shot and he showed up to not get hurt and collect his $.

[Reloaded]

Precisely, we can criticize Manny all we want but at the end of the day we'd be nitpicking.

Because the fact of the matter is, when was the last time someone came up from lightweight and utterly pulverized guys up to 150+?

Guys like Manny don't come around too often and to say this and that is nitpicking.

Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley did not deserve their fights with him...but he nonetheless beat them in impressive fashion.

Its was made to order , thats so much different than doing it legit , look at Armstrong with no CWs , for example , if Manny fought and beat Martinez lets say at 145 is that a legit win , no , and thats what he has done in his WW fights , only not so blatant obvious to where the laymen will jump all over him for fighting guys that look like refugees , you call it nit picking I call it facts , and its the reason it happened with Manny , in other words Manny could not beat the winning versions of those guys without CWs , so what does manipulating and cherry picking when they ripe really accomplish historically , especially after Floyd takes him to school it will only expose Pacs WW rort , but then if he beats Floyd he gets a free pass and rides of into the sunset ,,,,,, bring it on !