Manny Pacquiao has 1 good WW win imo

[p4p-champ]

Lets look at who Manny has fought at WW:

DLH - seriously dude was on IV's and hadn't fought at WW in about 10 years, and was busted up by freaking Steve Forbes in his previous fight. DLH was shot and retired right after the fight.

Cotto - a good win for Manny but nothing more. Cotto was annihilated by Margarito and hasn't been the same since. After the Marg fight Cotto beat a bum for a vacant belt in Jennings and had a very close fight with Clottey, wow so what?

Clottey - this is a solid win but Clottey has never beaten anybody of consequence and he was coming off a loss to Cotto. Furthermore, the fight was boring as hell and Josh didn't even put up a fight.

Mosley-

JMM is next. So somebody please explain to me how Manny's WW run is so impressive?

Telling it like it is, Manny hasn't been that impressive if you take all factors into consideration. The media has blown the hype way out of proportion. I've always said, it been mostly a smoke and mirror act, it will however, come to light once Manny signs the contract to fight Mayweather. I can't wait for this fight to happen.

[TintaBoricua]

The Oscar win is good because Oscar tried to cherry pick a lightweight, and the impressive way he completely dismantled Oscar.

Cotto goes unsaid.

Clottey had never been beaten like that, and was a proven top 5 type fighter at welterweight.

Mosley is the only not good win at welter for Manny, and it wasn't bad.

Precisely, we can criticize Manny all we want but at the end of the day we'd be nitpicking.

Because the fact of the matter is, when was the last time someone came up from lightweight and utterly pulverized guys up to 150+?

Guys like Manny don't come around too often and to say this and that is nitpicking.

Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley did not deserve their fights with him...but he nonetheless beat them in impressive fashion.

[DoktorSleepless]

It's more impressive when you realize he came from 135 pounds. Cotto & Clottey top guys no doubt. Mosley turned out to be a waste of time. Oscar was a big favorite at the time so that's all hindsight.

Pacquiao was always a huge 130/135 pounder though. He came in as a jr welterweight at fight night in his lw fights. De La Hoya did too for this particular fight so isn't THAT impressive.

I didn't watch the Pac/Hoya fight when it happened I wasn't around for all the hype, but I got the impression from the HBO commentators that the only reason why De La Hoya was favored was that everyone though he would outweigh Pacquiao by a ton. Do we know for sure there was a fight night weigh-in stipulation for sure or is it just a rumor? Yeah, it might hindsight because nobody knew he would come in lighter than Pacquiao, but if it was kept hidden by Pacquiao for that very reason to make him look like an underdog, then I think hindsight is a valid reason for discounting the de la hoya win. That only IF there was such a stipulation on the contract. I'm convinced that there was though.

[Kagami Taiga]

Precisely, we can criticize Manny all we want but at the end of the day we'd be nitpicking.

Because the fact of the matter is, when was the last time someone came up from lightweight and utterly pulverized guys up to 150+?

Guys like Manny don't come around too often and to say this and that is nitpicking.

Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley did not deserve their fights with him...but he nonetheless beat them in impressive fashion.

clottey, margarito and mosely are not good wins. they are tune ups at best. idc how small pac is, if hes fighting at ww, he dont get passes just because he was smaller. floyd doesnt get those same passes altho hes often been the smaller man in the ring against many of the guys he fought. but pac does because? if we are gonna call it, lets call it how it is.

[Pacquiao'd]

PPL forget so fast that Oscar cherrypicked him in order to duck Marg but what he is doing is still impressive because he is a LW physically who is over achieving

we also saw what feather fisted forbes did to dlhs pretty face after floyd beat his ass too

[Pacquiao'd]

Pacquiao was always a huge 130/135 pounder though. He came in as a jr welterweight at fight night in his lw fights. De La Hoya did too for this particular fight so isn't THAT impressive.

I didn't watch the Pac/Hoya fight when it happened I wasn't around for all the hype, but I got the impression from the HBO commentators that the only reason why De La Hoya was favored was that everyone though he would outweigh Pacquiao by a ton. Do we know for sure there was a fight night weigh-in stipulation for sure or is it just a rumor? Yeah, it might hindsight because nobody knew he would come in lighter than Pacquiao, but if it was kept hidden by Pacquiao for that very reason to make him look like an underdog, then I think hindsight is a valid reason for discounting the de la hoya win. That only IF there was such a stipulation on the contract. I'm convinced that there was though.

who would have known that pac would outweigh dlh...go figure

[$tate of Mind]

clottey, margarito and mosely are not good wins. they are tune ups at best. idc how small pac is, if hes fighting at ww, he dont get passes just because he was smaller. floyd doesnt get those same passes altho hes often been the smaller man in the ring against many of the guys he fought. but pac does because? if we are gonna call it, lets call it how it is.

Exactly DR. People didn't give Duran and Mosley credit for going up from lightweight to beat Leonard and De La Hoya respectively because they were smaller. That is foolish logic. Mosley and Duran moved up to beat great/good opponents. Being smaller doesn't mean you should get props for beating so so bigger opponents. Pacquiao fought these guys at the right time, this is a fact and any fool should be able to see that. Some of these cats are funny.

[$tate of Mind]

Why do so many of you make all these excuses for Manny? You guys act like he's some inferior fighter. I even tried to be nice and give Manny his credit for beating Cotto without mentioning the catch weight. Yet, you guys come at me with the he was smaller bull****. Being smaller doesn't mean you should get credit for beating fighters at the right time. GTFO here with that bull****!

[TintaBoricua]

Why do so many of you make all these excuses for Manny? You guys act like he's some inferior fighter. I even tried to be nice and give Manny his credit for beating Cotto without mentioning the catch weight. Yet, you guys come at me with the he was smaller bull****. Being smaller doesn't mean you should get credit for beating fighters at the right time. GTFO here with that bull****!

I give Mayweather and Pacquiao both credit for their victories. They have both one-upped each other in regards to recent opponents.

Oscar at 154>Oscar at 147
Hatton at 140>Hatton at 147
Márquez at 147 Clottey at 147 Margarito at 150/Mosley at 147 coming off loss/draw
Pacquiao's more active, but Floyd looks just as impressive against his opponents.

[$tate of Mind]

who would have known that pac would outweigh dlh...go figure

Oh yeah, Manny even outweighed Oscar on fight night. This makes this even funnier. Yeah, Manny is so small. LMAO! See it's because of the type responses that this thread got is one of the main reasons why I can't stand Manny's cherry picking ass.