Manny Pacquiao has 1 good WW win imo

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  • crillz
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    #71
    Originally posted by Hi Hater
    What evidence did you see from Mosley in the Mayweather and Mora fights that suggested to you that he could be competitive against Manny? Mosley was shot and he showed up to not get hurt and collect his $.
    the evidence I saw is that style wise Mayweather and Mora were both 1,000% wrong for Shane, slick Boxers whom don't ever really get into trading shots with you, they work behind the jab and have a box out approach to fights and that's been Shane's kryptonite since Vernon Forrest 1st beat him (R.I.P Viper). styles make fights whether you believe it or not, it's just the name of the game.

    he COULDN'T stand there and trade with Manny like he normally would do, his body and everything else let him know that once he got dropped, once he felt the power he knew he couldn't trade, he felt Manny's fire and couldn't return the blaze.

    one thing is to see a fight from a distance and another thing is to be in the fight and to have the task on your head of responding to the punches, receiving the punches and figuring out the opponent.

    you can speculate all you want about what he could or should do but in reality it's just like Mayweather says "it's not the same when you in there", you can plan all you want but when you get popped by that first hard shot your psyche in the fight can be broken, in Shane's case it was shattered to pieces and he didn't know how to win anymore in the fight it became a survival thing which had ALL to do with Manny and nothing to do with Shane being "shot" or old

    Manny was too strong, fast and explosive, his punch arsenal and physical ability didn't allow Shane much of a chance to impose himself aside from a few good shots here and there.

    Floyd's intelligence alone was enough to defeat Mosley, the way he neutralized Shane's best punch was a thing of beauty and those long arms didn't help at all, the only thing worst than a tall fighter with long arms is a short fighter with long arms especially one with Floyd's Boxing I.Q.

    Mora was just too damn tall, big and lanky. he couldn't really catch him flush and when he did Mora, a natural Middleweight, was able to take Shane's best punches.

    Mora's style is built for taking punishment, he's what I call a distance fighter so he's used to passing off rounds and letting shots pounce off of him and countering, he has a smothering type of style and he was too big for Shane to handle and even too slick.

    watch that fight and you'll see he didn't give Shane much of an avenue of landing anything big he was always either leaning on Shane smothering him or moving around which is worst for Shane than smothering him. even still Shane got a DRAW not a LOSS

    all other recent Shane opponents besides the 3 who happen to have the perfect style to beat Shane as proven in Shane's prior losses were knocked out, that isn't the mark of a shot fighter. a beaten fighter? yes but shot? hell no. people are too quick to call someone shot without even taking time out to evaluate

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    • tatangb45
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      #72
      This is the list of boxers Floyd fought at WW:

      1) S. Mitchell - KOed by Tszyu just before fighting Floyd.
      2) Z. Judah - lost to Baldomir just before losing to Floyd.
      3) C. Baldomir - had 9 losses coming into the Floyd fight.
      4) R. Hatton - a LWW
      5) J. M. Marquez - a LW who was even cheated at the scales by Floyd
      6) Shane Mosley - 38 years old and way past prime.

      Looking at this list (except for Mosley in his prime), which among these fighters could have beaten Cotto, Clottey or Margarito in the condition they were at, at the time Pac fought them?

      Take note that Floyd fought two of these fighters who were coming off from a loss. That's two out of of the six Floyd fought at WW, or 33% out of total.

      On the other hand, during the same period when Floyd went up to WW, Pac fought a total of thirteen fights (excluding the ODLH fight) where he fought only two boxers who were coming off a loss. That's only 15% out of the total.

      So, Floyd fanatics, before any of you would even try to embellish Floyd's record and discredit Pac's, look at the comparative records and learn....then go to a dark corner and cry.

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        #73
        I think the oscar and Clottey win were good wins, I thought the Cotto win was a great performance 145 or 147, to see that performance seriously made me a believer, before that i seriously didnt see the big fuss about Paq.
        Last edited by Ray*; 08-09-2011, 09:17 AM.

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          #74
          why did pac fight cotto at 145 but clottey at 147???????

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            #75
            Originally posted by jtiger777
            why did pac fight cotto at 145 but clottey at 147???????
            You don't know the answer to that? Think and try your best. It's not that hard, really.

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              #76
              I've always said this. Cotto was his only good win. I don't play the "damaged by Margarito" card. I don't play the "145lbs instead of 147lbs" card. That was just a good win PERIOD.

              But De La Hoya was dehydrated and weight drained. R u people really giving him the credit for that fight becuz DLH was the favorite? Is Baldomir great becuz he beat the favorite in Zab Judah?

              The Clottey was nothing. Clottey may have been a good fighter himself, but his performance was FAR LESS than subpar. He wasn't even trying to win... You could beat a prime Mike Tyson if he didn't through any freakin punches. And Clottey's "ability" is far from prime Tyson anyway.

              The Mosley fight is self explanitory. I give him props for the knockdown, but even that's debatable. Not to mention, it was a horrible Mosley, the worst Mosley is even capable of looking, and Pac still wasn't impressive with that victory.

              He'd get credit for Marquez if it wasn't already a proven fact that Marquez is weak above 135lbs...

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                #77
                Originally posted by jtiger777
                why did pac fight cotto at 145 but clottey at 147???????
                Originally posted by tatangb45
                You don't know the answer to that? Think and try your best. It's not that hard, really.
                bwahahaha.. that's why i started to love boxing....

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                • tatangb45
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by JDezi4
                  I've always said this. Cotto was his only good win. I don't play the "damaged by Margarito" card. I don't play the "145lbs instead of 147lbs" card. That was just a good win PERIOD.

                  But De La Hoya was dehydrated and weight drained. R u people really giving him the credit for that fight becuz DLH was the favorite? Is Baldomir great becuz he beat the favorite in Zab Judah?

                  The Clottey was nothing. Clottey may have been a good fighter himself, but his performance was FAR LESS than subpar. He wasn't even trying to win... You could beat a prime Mike Tyson if he didn't through any freakin punches. And Clottey's "ability" is far from prime Tyson anyway.

                  The Mosley fight is self explanitory. I give him props for the knockdown, but even that's debatable. Not to mention, it was a horrible Mosley, the worst Mosley is even capable of looking, and Pac still wasn't impressive with that victory.

                  He'd get credit for Marquez if it wasn't already a proven fact that Marquez is weak above 135lbs...
                  You posted nothing but your own personal opinions. Go back and read post#72. Those are facts, not opinions.

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                  • jtiger777
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by tatangb45
                    You don't know the answer to that? Think and try your best. It's not that hard, really.
                    i dont know the answer im seeking help

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by tatangb45
                      This is the list of boxers Floyd fought at WW:

                      1) S. Mitchell - KOed by Tszyu just before fighting Floyd.
                      2) Z. Judah - lost to Baldomir just before losing to Floyd.
                      3) C. Baldomir - had 9 losses coming into the Floyd fight.
                      4) R. Hatton - a LWW
                      5) J. M. Marquez - a LW who was even cheated at the scales by Floyd
                      6) Shane Mosley - 38 years old and way past prime.

                      Looking at this list (except for Mosley in his prime), which among these fighters could have beaten Cotto, Clottey or Margarito in the condition they were at, at the time Pac fought them?
                      Take note that Floyd fought two of these fighters who were coming off from a loss. That's two out of of the six Floyd fought at WW, or 33% out of total.

                      On the other hand, during the same period when Floyd went up to WW, Pac fought a total of thirteen fights (excluding the ODLH fight) where he fought only two boxers who were coming off a loss. That's only 15% out of the total.

                      So, Floyd fanatics, before any of you would even try to embellish Floyd's record and discredit Pac's, look at the comparative records and learn....then go to a dark corner and cry.
                      i'll take my shot... it would be ORTIZ who beats an undefeated berto who beats collazo.... maidana lose? no, who is madana? :? flirt:
                      Last edited by jltsmae; 08-09-2011, 10:19 AM.

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