Just rewatched Oscar vs Floyd.

[Hasha]

If his prime started in 1999 when did it end?

He hadn't faced enough tough challenges when he fought Whitaker? Did you not follow Oscar career? He was already a 3 division champ, had faced the likes of Leija, Molina, Hernandez, Ruelas, MAGO(who was borderline top 10 P4P level fighter at the time), a faded JCC. These type of opponents give you the experience you need. The way he beat most of them. Shows that he was in his prime when he faced Whitaker.

You saying he wasn't in his prime because he was 24. That means you using age as the way to determining prime. Which is F'ing ******ed to do so.

His stamina in his prime. Guns blazing in the 12 round? When did he come out guns blazing in the 12th? Against Quartey because all they did was posture and faint each other for 10 rounds prior? Or was it after "schooling" Tito did he come out guns blazing in the 12th? Especially after round 10 when his corners tells him "not another round like that Oscar". And, what does Oscar do? Gives them another round like that Or better yet was it against Molina were he kept looking at the time? Or was it against MAGO did he come out guns blazing getting tagged late in the fight? Yea OK guns blazing alright.

I'm convinced you have no idea what you're talking. Why don't you try to actually watch his fights.

So you admit you were in ****** mode when you read that part?

When he fought Whitaker...he had yet to settle into Welter...yet to gain the experience of fighting Welters...that's 7 fights we're talking about....you mean to tell me that in those 7 fights when he had yet to face Tito...Oscar gained nothing? Or that he had already faded by the time he faced Tito?

And again, you ******, I didn't say Oscar wasn't in his prime because he was 24. He wasn't in his prime because at the age of 24 (when he faced Whitaker) he didn't have the experience of fighting Welterweights. Not because of his age. But because of his experience. Get it? If you don't, you need a doctor.

You're telling me that DLH didn't come out firing in the 12th vs Quartey? Against Camacho? Against Tito there was no need, cuz he was tattooing him all night long, why take the risk? and everyone knows he was robbed. Take the tko of Vargas in the 11th? One round shy of 12. Don't give me that BS that the Oscar who fought Floyd had the same stamina as a prime DLH.

[jrosales13]

Please show me before 2005, where Floyd said he was willing to challenge DLH...please...if you do...I'll take what I said about Floyd avoiding DLH back. But it's gota be DLH between 99-03.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Mar-07-Fri-2003/sports/20836913.html

Kevin Iole of now Yahoosports.com article back in 2003.

If Floyd Mayweather Jr. gets his way, the WBC lightweight champion will fight WBA/WBC super welterweight champion Oscar De La Hoya in September.

Mayweather, who will defend his lightweight title April 19 in Fresno, Calif., against Raul Balbi, said Thursday he wants to replace Shane Mosley as De La Hoya's opponent Sept. 13. De La Hoya and Mosley have been involved in protracted negotiations and, despite a $500,000 concession by De La Hoya, the sides haven't been able to get together.

Mayweather has long spoken of his desire to fight De La Hoya and said he has no concern despite the 19-pound weight differential. Mayweather said he has spoken to Top Rank president Bob Arum, who enthusiastically supports the idea.

The lightweight limit is 135 pounds, and Mayweather has fought at that level only twice. He won the championship from Jose Luis Castillo on April 20, then successfully defended it against Castillo on Dec. 7. Mayweather said he would weigh between 145 and 150 to fight De La Hoya after going through a program to add muscle under the direction of strength coach Leonard Ellerbee.

"This is a fight that boxing really needs, and it would blow the roof off all the pay-per-view numbers," said Mayweather, 29-0 with 20 knockouts. "A true champion will step up and take these kinds of fights. I don't want to fight guys everyone knows I can beat; I want the guys people think might beat me.

"This fight with Oscar would be the ultimate. Why not? I want to go to another level in my career and this is a way to do that."

De La Hoya, 35-2 with 28 knockouts, was in Miami on Thursday and could not be reached for comment. But Richard Schaefer, the chief executive officer of De La Hoya's Golden Boy Enterprises, doused Mayweather's enthusiasm by saying the fight doesn't make sense.

Schaefer said he doesn't see how De La Hoya will benefit from the match.

"This is an attempt by Mayweather to get much-needed publicity," Schaefer said. "Throwing out Oscar's name will get that for him. What does Oscar have to gain by taking this fight? Knocking out a guy who is 20, 25 pounds lighter won't do much for him.

"Oscar has already outlined the fights he's interested in. There is always another name popping up, but I don't see how Mayweather can do anything for Oscar. I don't think it's a good reason just because of money, and there are other fights out there where Oscar could make more than he will for fighting Mayweather."

But Arum said the fight is the biggest potential bout in boxing other than a heavyweight matchup between Roy Jones Jr. and Mike Tyson.

Arum said he hasn't spoken to Schaefer but would pitch the fight to him next week.

Arum said De La Hoya is getting closer to finalizing a deal with Mosley, so Arum said a potential De La Hoya-Mayweather fight would have to wait until next year.

Arum said the presence of Mayweather's father, trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr., in De La Hoya's corner would further stoke the interest in the bout.

"The drama is so unbelievable in this fight, it will be incredible," Arum said. "Floyd is a kid who has really resented Oscar, and his father will be in Oscar's corner. It's unbelievable. They'll be writing books about this fight."

Ellerbee said size won't be an issue. He said Mayweather is already strong for a lightweight.

Ellerbee said Mayweather spars with super welterweights and middleweights because he's too strong for lightweights.

"Is the guy willing to step up and say, `Hey, I think I'm better than you and here's why?' " Ellerbee said of De La Hoya. "A lot of people might think this is a joke, but Floyd has talked about it for a long time. Floyd will be there ready to beat this guy.

"Oscar is a great fighter, don't get me wrong. But he's not going to be the most skilled guy in this fight. He's been matched with the right opponents at the right time. This is a challenge for Floyd, and Floyd is always at his best when he's challenged."

So I'll be waiting for you to take back what you said. But, I doubt you will and will come up with some other lame crap.

And tell me Floyd, if he could duck a punching bag in Margarito, would not avoid a prime DLH, when he would have a field day with Margarito and box himself to a UD.

And tell me why, when they asked Floyd if he would fight Cotto (when Cotto clearly said he would be willing to fight Mayweather) and everyone wanted the fight at the time ('07) did he not say anything about his willingness to fight Cotto....I'm waiting...

He duck Marg, plain and simple. More than likely because the risk didn't out weigh the reward. However, fighting Oscar is different. Because against Oscar for any fighter. The reward will out weigh the risk. It's really common sense.

So Cotto "said" huh? What did Cotto offer or demand for the fight? Was there any negotiations? Did Cotto even contact Floyd? Or better yet when was Cotto open so negotiations could go down? I mean days after Floyd-Hatton Cotto was negotiating with Clottey for a fight in March. Then by new year the Cotto-Gomez fight was damn near a done deal for April. Then before the Gomez fight, Cotto was lined up for a Mayorga fight in July. Which later turned out to be Margarito. So there was no clear window of opportunity for them to even negotiate let alone have a fight.

[Phil Ivey]

LOL @ people who thought it was close. Mayweather had the balls to fight Oscar @ 154 even though he wasn't a big WW @ the time. Oscar had everything worked for him - size ring, gloves, purse, Freddy Roach and weight.

[daggum]

delahoya made the fight and threw a lot more punches than floyd. how could you have floyd winning?

[Guest]

I remember after the DLH may fight larry merchant asked floyd mayweather sr who he thought won the fight and he said " well if you go by the point system oscar won but if you go for who land the most punches then my son did " lol that **** was funny

[jrosales13]

Go get 'em Jro.

I think it's no use. He has no clue of what he's talking about.

[GrandpaBernard]

I had that fight easy for Floyd but I remember watching the Hatton-Floyd fight live and having it pretty close... i havent rewatched it since though but i have a feeling i was very wrong.

It's not close at all if you watch it on tape. I had Hatton winning 1-2 rounds.

[jrosales13]

So you admit you were in ****** mode when you read that part?

When he fought Whitaker...he had yet to settle into Welter...yet to gain the experience of fighting Welters...that's 7 fights we're talking about....you mean to tell me that in those 7 fights when he had yet to face Tito...Oscar gained nothing? Or that he had already faded by the time he faced Tito?

And again, you ******, I didn't say Oscar wasn't in his prime because he was 24. He wasn't in his prime because at the age of 24 (when he faced Whitaker) he didn't have the experience of fighting Welterweights. Not because of his age. But because of his experience. Get it? If you don't, you need a doctor.

You're telling me that DLH didn't come out firing in the 12th vs Quartey? Against Camacho? Against Tito there was no need, cuz he was tattooing him all night long, why take the risk? and everyone knows he was robbed. Take the tko of Vargas in the 11th? One round shy of 12. Don't give me that BS that the Oscar who fought Floyd had the same stamina as a prime DLH.

No because, again Oscar prime didn't start in 99.

So what if he was filling up at WW. That has nothing to do with it. It took awhile for Floyd to fill up to WW doesn't mean he's in his prime right now.

I gave you the fighters and top contenders that Oscar fought that would give him the experience. And, plenty of different styles too.

Yes he came out guns blazing in the 12 against Quartey. But, that after both did nothing but posture and feint for 10 previous rounds. Is not like it was a barn burner where he showed great stamina. He got touched up late in the MAGO fight, ran for his life against Tito, and kept looking at the time against Molina to kill time. That's not somebody who has great stamina. Also went on to fade in the first Mosley fight.

I mean for every lame example you give me about his stamina. I can give you one about his lack of stamina. Oscar stamina was average. Floyd has/had better stamina.

[jrosales13]

Mayweather said he wanted De La Hoya way back in 2003 before his bout with Sosa. People laughed at the notion since DLH was an 154 lb. champ and Floyd an 135 lb. champ.

Neither Mayweather nor Cotto seemed to care much to fight each other back when the fight would've been best, in 2008, following Mayweather/Hatton and Cotto/Mosley. To the best of my knowledge, there was no serious negotiations between the two camps. I give Cotto more of a pass though since he fought Margarito, Clottey, and Pacquiao in the next 2 years.

Impossible, we all know how Floyd would have ducked Oscar. Because, you know, Oscar was really avoided in his prime

[Hasha]

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../20836913.html

Kevin Iole of now Yahoosports.com article back in 2003.




So I'll be waiting for you to take back what you said. But, I doubt you will and will come up with some other lame crap.

Not really. I'm not someone who argues for the sake of argument. I take back what I said about Mayweather avoiding a prime DLH.

He duck Marg, plain and simple. More than likely because the risk didn't out weigh the reward. However, fighting Oscar is different. Because against Oscar for any fighter. The reward will out weigh the risk. It's really common sense.

So Cotto "said" huh? What did Cotto offer or demand for the fight? Was there any negotiations? Did Cotto even contact Floyd? Or better yet when was Cotto open so negotiations could go down? I mean days after Floyd-Hatton Cotto was negotiating with Clottey for a fight in March. Then by new year the Cotto-Gomez fight was damn near a done deal for April. Then before the Gomez fight, Cotto was lined up for a Mayorga fight in July. Which later turned out to be Margarito. So there was no clear window of opportunity for them to even negotiate let alone have a fight.

A duck is a ****ing duck. Mayweather's stutter was in high gear when Margarito approached him. Don't give me that BS about high risk low reward when he was offered $8 Million fight him.

And no. Cotto didn't contact Floyd. But at least he went on air to say he'd be willing to face Mayweather. While Mayweather never mentioned the reasons you're giving. He simply said, "I won't let the sport of boxing retire me, I'll retire from the sport." and "I've done what I had to do."