Wlad's Top 5 Wins Vs. Ali's Top 5 Wins

[cupocity303]

Exactly, hence my saying wiped off the Greatness map.

Frazier was put on the map by giving Ali fits in the first fight which made the second and third possible. As Ali's legs faded even more and relied on Rope-A-Dope increasingly, Frazier was able to stay on a even playing field with Ali in Manilla, and thus his "Greatness" grew. It's all about perception.

Roy once said, "They said I fought nobodies, I just made them look like nobodies". If Ali had dominated Frazier in The Fight of The Century in 1970, we wouldn't be talking about him right now. He would be the equivalent of Gery Cooney on Holmes' resume, a Mega Event opponent who was outmatched and forgotten.

And to further emphasize on my point. Ali didn't get the job done vs Frazier, therefore Frazier gets elevated to greatness instead. If this had happened to Wlad, Frazier or anybody wouldn't have been elevated as a HOF Great, but Wlad would have been criticized for losing to a Bum. That's the Generational bias that I'm talking about. It's planted in peoples heads without realizing it.

[Sadistic]

Ali mostly fought African Americans. Today with all the soviets going pro its proven that African Americans arent on the same level as the soviets.

Wlads opponents ( Soviets, Europeans, African Americans) >>>> Ali's African American opponents.

That's the truth.

Ali's era was just a bunch of overrated Amercian bums beating up eachother. It's a ridiculously overrated weak era.

All of the best American heavyweights have been exposed and destroyed by Klitschkos and other Eastern Europeans. The same thing is happening in many other weight classes too.

Soviets/Eastern Europeans weren't allowed to turn pro until the 1990s because of the cold war/iron curtain.

Now Soviets/Eastern Europeans are allowed to turn pro and we're already taking over boxing.

This is just the beginning of the Eastern European domination.

NFL/NBA is just another WEAK EXCUSE

There are tons of potential Eastern European Heavyweight Boxers who are doing Combat Sambo, MMA, Kickboxing, Hockey, Olympic Wrestling, Olympic Weightlifting, Powerlifting, Worlds Strongest Man Competitions, etc.

America isn't the only country on the planet that has other sports.

Eastern European fighters are superior.

The Klitschkos are the negrocutioners.

Wlad and Vitali are the two greatest heavyweights of all time.

Either Klitschko beats any HW from any era.

[cupocity303]

Ok.

Quarry was a Ring top 10 fighter for years. He beat such different styles as slick Buster Mathis, Hard hitting Shavers, tough and Durable Ron Lyle....all these guys were also long time top 10 fighters. He fought Foreman, Ali, Frazier and Chuvalo, Mac Foster, Jimmy Ellis, Floyd Patterson....all highly ranked heavyweight contenders and or champions.

All irrelevant resume credentials listing, which have nothing to do with Quarry's abilities that you talked about.

Who does Chambers have that gives him the experience over such a diverse and respected group of fighters?

Irrelevant again as I'm not debating resumes which is a endless back and forth of numbers and who is Hall of Famer and who isn't.

I'm talking about ability. Chambers Boxing skill beats Quarry.

[Sadistic]

TS is just another butthurt racist black supremacist who picked Haye to beat Wlad.

Ali never fought anyone like Wlad.

That rope a dope bullshit won't work against Wlad.

Feather fisted Ali can't stop Wlad.

Ali can't outsmart Wlad.

Ali can't outbox Wlad.

Stylistically, Wlad is a nightmare matchup for Ali.

Wlad by UD or late KO.

[JAB5239]

And to further emphasize on my point. Ali didn't get the job done vs Frazier, therefore Frazier gets elevated to greatness instead. If this had happened to Wlad, Frazier or anybody wouldn't have been elevated as a HOF Great, but Wlad would have been criticized for losing to a Bum. That's the Generational bias that I'm talking about. It's planted in peoples heads without realizing it.

No facts my man, just assumptions.

Ali was a great because he beat other greats. Frazier beat a great and proved he could compete therefore he was worthy to be amongst greats.

[Sadistic]

No facts my man, just assumptions.

Ali was a great because he beat other greats. Frazier beat a great and proved he could compete therefore he was worthy to be amongst greats.

Ali only fought American bums

You Americans are inferior

[cupocity303]

No facts my man, just assumptions.

Ali was a great because he beat other greats. Frazier beat a great and proved he could compete therefore he was worthy to be amongst greats.

IF Ibragimov had beaten Klitschko and Wlad beat him back two more times to complete the triology. Would Ibragimov be elevated to a Great Heavyweight or would that be just another talking point to critique Wlad about?

[cupocity303]

It didn't happen though and Ali is seen as either the number 1 or 2 greatest heavyweight. You're making assumptions based on what may have happened. Im pointing out facts in which actually DID happen. There is a difference man!

You're giving empty facts.

I'm connecting the dots and pointing out Generational bias amongst fans.

[jrosales13]

So besides Ibragrimov who else has Wlad fought that are as great as Frazier?

And, besides Peter who else has Wlad fought who's as good as Frazier

[Sadistic]

So besides Ibragrimov who else has Wlad fought that are as great as Frazier?

And, besides Peter who else has Wlad fought who's as good as Frazier

Frazier was a poor man's Peter.

Frazier was a ******ed one handed one dimensional chinny punching bag midget.

Either Klitschko easily destroys Frazier.