Wlad's Top 5 Wins Vs. Ali's Top 5 Wins

[cupocity303]

I actually did reply.

And, LOL @ in detail...Yea OK...

I get it Wlad is the GOAT, he has beaten fighters who are as great Frazier. I get it, I get it.

You have not replied to post 75.

And I never said that Wlad is the Goat, Ali is the Goat resume wise because his opponents were elevated to higher status due to many other reasons, besides In-Ring ability (some of which I have touched on). These are things that a fighter cannot control, you only beat what's put in front of you regardless of their status at that time or after you're done beating them.

The only point I've ever tried to make is that head to head, Wlad would beat Ali and any small Heavyweight he has ever faced.

[Mr. Invincible]

brewster hammers a pre-prime wlad....

so what

damm klit-haters are pathetic

Lol, the funny thing is that Brewster didn't land one flush shot as Wlad collapsed exhausted. Wlad beat Wlad in that fight if anything. Brewster was getting owned before WK gassed.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Both are ATGs.

I think Wlad has beaten really good boxers. I think if Wlad and Vitali didn't exist, we would be talking about Chambers, Haye and others vs the greats from the past.

Wlad's career isn't over yet.

The way I see this thread is that people are THREATENED that a boxer from another place in the world is being great and doing more than good things so they reach in their pockets and compare him to probably the greatest heavyweight. Not fair if you ask me.

[cupocity303]

LOOOOOL at Sam Peter being a beast on the inside - my god you don't have a ****ing clue what your watching do you.

Take it how you want it. His specialty is on the inside/close up fighting. Neither Wlad or Vitali defeated him fighting toe to toe.

[jrosales13]

He's also been starched by fighters incomparable to Foreman

Oh but those those don't count. Because, he wasn't in his boxing prime, or was tired or was drugged or blah blah...He just the GOAT. He Haye, Chagaev, Ibragimov who were just as great as Frazier. And, lets not forget the beastly Peter and the highly P4P skilled Chambers. But, the only reason that they don't get that recognition is because they lost to Wlad. Not like Frazier who beat Ali

[RubenSonny]

Take it how you want it. His specialty is on the inside/close up fighting. Neither Wlad or Vitali defeated him fighting toe to toe.

You described him as being a beast on the inside and that couldn't be further from the truth. He doesn't fight anything like Frazier even Ray Charles can see that.

[Mr. Invincible]

It's who those 17 wins and 2 losses are you idiot, that's a resume. Not the number behind it. The guys within those numbers suck.

Idiot? Lol.

Was I speaking to you? Take another close look at Wlad's resume since you are so bright. The guys he fought were all top contenders or champs at the time. The only reason anyone doubts his resume is because the contenders get destroyed before they have a chance to make a serious dent. That's why the Klitschko's are so smart. Compare their number of wins over undefeated fighters to the average champion. You will see that the Klitschko's go for them while they are still undefeated and are yet to build serious names, etc. Not only that, a lot of these guys are less well known because of their origins. So in closing, All that really matters right now is that while Ali was a great fighter in his day, he could have easily been handled by Klitschko's at their best. Too big, too strong and too damn smart. That's why nobody can compete right now. It's not that the whole crop stinks. Wake up. It's a combination of size and skill. That's why Lennox ruled his day and why the K brothers do now. Deal with it.

That goes for a lot of delusional haters here as well. You know who you are.

[Sadistic]

Klit fans got owned hard.

says the delusional butthurt ****** who picked Haye to "brutally KO" Wlad.



Cupocity, Chopperread, Mr. Invincible, etc and myself have totally owned all of you delusional ******ed Ali nuthuggers/Klitschko haters.

[jrosales13]

You have not replied to post 75.

And I never said that Wlad is the Goat, Ali is the Goat resume wise because his opponents were elevated to higher status due to many other reasons, besides In-Ring ability (some of which I have touched on). These are things that a fighter cannot control, you only beat what's put in front of you regardless of their status at that time or after you're done beating them.

The only point I've ever tried to make is that head to head, Wlad would beat Ali and any small Heavyweight he has ever faced.

I actually did, maybe you skipped over it. It's whatever.

Ali opponent was elevated by higher standards to most.

But, that was never what I asked you. Because, it's obvious that you don't elevate Ali opponents to higher standards like most do.

Ali has one Joe Frazier in his resume. Apparently Wlad has 4 of them(in Ibragimov, Peter, Chagaev, and Haye) Your words.

The way I'm reading it is that in your personal opinion. Not anybody else. Wlad is the GOAT or at the very least up there with Ali. That's your opinion so it's whatever.

Do you even have a HW ATG lit? Maybe not, I doubt it. You don't seem like the type that do.

[cupocity303]

Originally Posted by cupocity303 View Post

The closest parity to Frazier would be Ibragimov.

Similarities are that both were undefeated and were Disputable Heavyweight Champions when they fought Klitschko & Ali.

Differences, Frazier won the original fight Vs Ali, which put him on the Greatness Map. Ibragimov lost to Klitschko and was wiped out of the Map.

Similarities in Ability would be Samuel Peter and Frazier, in terms of both being beasts on the inside and Ali's Wlad's key to victory being to box from the outside. BOTH got to Wlad/Muhammad and gave them fits.

So tell me if I'm wrong. But, what I'm getting is that.

You rank Ibragimov as high as Frazier. You believe that he's as great as Frazier?

And, you believe Peter is as good as Frazier?

Ah ok, so you did respond, I missed that. Slipped through the cracks

You ask me to give you fighters on par with Frazier ability wise or resume wise. I give it to you and then you ask me the same question again.

Instead of taking the post for what it is, comparing Frazier to guys closest to him in ability and resume. The word "Great" has many meanings to different people, so it's pointless asking.

Frazier is ranked higher and I accept that, lets just leave it at that.