Wlad's Top 5 Wins Vs. Ali's Top 5 Wins

[jrosales13]

Cup,

All I want to know is who on Wlad resume is as good ability wise as Frazier and who's as good resume wise as Frazier.

Give me your opinion. **** my opinion, **** about all this past generation being held in a higher regard. If you don't hold them in a high regard that's more than OK. Because, all I want is your opinion, your own not anybody else.

So all this black and white and HD is irrelevant to what I'm asking you.

Name as many fighters on Wlad resume as you can who are as good ability was as Frazier and as great resume wise as Frazier.

And, name the ones who you truly feel in your heart of hearts. That's all I'm asking.

[cupocity303]

Well when I said as good, I mean with ability wise.

When I say as great, I mean resume wise.

So I would like your opinion on both.

The closest parity to Frazier would be Ibragimov.

Similarities are that both were undefeated and were Disputable Heavyweight Champions when they fought Klitschko & Ali.

Differences, Frazier won the original fight Vs Ali, which put him on the Greatness Map. Ibragimov lost to Klitschko and was wiped out of the Map.

Similarities in Ability would be Samuel Peter and Frazier, in terms of both being beasts on the inside and Ali's Wlad's key to victory being to box from the outside. BOTH got to Wlad/Muhammad and gave them fits.

[JAB5239]

I disagree.



Also disagree.

Me thinks Quarry is being overrated and I have seen plenty of footage of him.

You're free to disagree my man, I just want you to state a case why.

[cupocity303]

You're free to disagree my man, I just want you to state a case why.

You didn't even state your case besides being vague saying that Quarry was more versatile.

[JAB5239]

The closest parity to Frazier would be Ibragimov.

Similarities are that both were undefeated and were Disputable Heavyweight Champions when they fought Klitschko & Ali.

Differences, Frazier won the original fight Vs Ali, which put him on the Greatness Map. Ibragimov lost to Klitschko and was wiped out of the Map.

Similarities in Ability would be Samuel Peter and Frazier, in terms of both being beasts on the inside and Ali's Wlad's key to victory being to box from the outside.

Lets not forget that Frazier went in to fight Ali twice more giving the toughest fight of his career the 3rd go round. Ibragimov never fought again.

[jrosales13]

The closest parity to Frazier would be Ibragimov.

Similarities are that both were undefeated and were Disputable Heavyweight Champions when they fought Klitschko & Ali.

Differences, Frazier won the original fight Vs Ali, which put him on the Greatness Map. Ibragimov lost to Klitschko and was wiped out of the Map.

Similarities in Ability would be Samuel Peter and Frazier, in terms of both being beasts on the inside and Ali's Wlad's key to victory being to box from the outside. BOTH got to Wlad/Muhammad and gave them fits.

So tell me if I'm wrong. But, what I'm getting is that.

You rank Ibragimov as high as Frazier. You believe that he's as great as Frazier?

And, you believe Peter is as good as Frazier?

[Boxingtech718v2]

This thread is major ownage of the Klitlickers.

[cupocity303]

Lets not o that Frazier went in to fight Ali twice more giving the toughest fight of his career the 3rd go round. Ibragimov never fought again.

Exactly, hence my saying wiped off the Greatness map.

Frazier was put on the map by giving Ali fits in the first fight which made the second and third possible. As Ali's legs faded even more and relied on Rope-A-Dope increasingly, Frazier was able to stay on a even playing field with Ali in Manilla, and thus his "Greatness" grew. It's all about perception.

Roy once said, "They said I fought nobodies, I just made them look like nobodies". If Ali had dominated Frazier in The Fight of The Century in 1970, we wouldn't be talking about him right now. He would be the equivalent of Gery Cooney on Holmes' resume, a Mega Event opponent who was outmatched and forgotten.

[JAB5239]

You didn't even state your case besides being vague saying that Quarry was more versatile.

Ok.

Quarry was a Ring top 10 fighter for years. He beat such different styles as slick Buster Mathis, Hard hitting Shavers, tough and Durable Ron Lyle....all these guys were also long time top 10 fighters. He fought Foreman, Ali, Frazier and Chuvalo, Mac Foster, Jimmy Ellis, Floyd Patterson....all highly ranked heavyweight contenders and or champions.

Who does Chambers have that gives him the experience over such a diverse and respected group of fighters?

[JAB5239]

Exactly, hence my saying wiped off the Greatness map.

Frazier was put on the map by giving Ali fits in the first fight which made the second and third possible. As Ali's legs faded even more and relied on Rope-A-Dope increasingly, Frazier was able to stay on a even playing field with Ali in Manilla, and thus his "Greatness" grew. It's all about perception.

Roy once said, "They said I fought nobodies, I just made them look like nobodies". If Ali had dominated Frazier in The Fight of The Century in 1970, we wouldn't be talking about him right now. He would be the equivalent of Gery Cooney on Holmes' resume, a Mega Event opponent who was outmatched and forgotten.

It didn't happen though and Ali is seen as either the number 1 or 2 greatest heavyweight. You're making assumptions based on what may have happened. Im pointing out facts in which actually DID happen. There is a difference man!