If Ali Was So Hard To Hit and So Fast...Why is He Punch Drunk as Hell

[New England]

go to hell


ali fought the best line up of HW punchers anybody has ever faced

he's got one of the best resume's of all time period


and he fought far beyond his best days


go to hell

[TheGreatA]

George Chuvalo must have been the best defensive fighter of all times.

[junior gong]

Its not like he fought a ton of fights like an SRR or someone. 61 fights...Wlad's already fought 59 and if you include kickboxing and amateur fights Vitali has fought hundreds of more fights than Ali and after Adamek would have fought 5 more times than Ali did after 35...So why is this so called "greatest" punch drunk to hell? He also had a 3 year lay off, and fought more guys under 200 before the layoff than he did over 200. And dont tell me that crap that he fought too long past his prime...after the age of 35 he fought only 4 times...2x against a cruiserweight with 6 pro wins and a draw...once where he quit against Larry Holmes and then finally against Berbick...and age 35 wasnt even 3 years after Foreman which was the best win of his career. So why is he so damn punch drunk if he was so hard to hit? Was he just a fraud, all smoke and mirrors? Were championship fights against 14-1-1 Alfredo Evangelista that went the distance proof that he simply had no power to get people over 200 lbs out of there and thus fought too many rounds?

Neither Vitali nor Wlad show any signs of being punch drunk, no slurred speech, no weight gain, no real deterioration...so are they both much harder to hit than Ali? Im trying to figure out if Ali was the greatest why did he clearly sustain much more damage than 99% of fighters over the course of his career...why so many close controversial decisions...jones, young, shavers, spinks, norton...why at 221 lbs was he fighting guys who came in weighing 180 lbs? These are questions I simply cant answer.

You are a ****i.....**** it...whats the point.

[ChopperRead]

Ali was overrated, he was good for his time but wouldnt get far today. He would be a CW.

I know who he would be like, David Haye. Same big mouth, except David Haye isnt a racist like Ali is.


I cant believe people support Ali who is a known racist who hates white people and a known criminal?

Antwood: these goofs will never listen, they think fighters from the past are these magical people who can do anything, and they think Boxing is the only sport not to evolve. When infact Boxing IS like every other sport and ALL athletes of Today are better trained/coached/educated/handled/stronger than the past. Look at Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt, then put them into a dude from the 50's or 60's. Hell a SCRUB Swimmer or Runner who comes in 10th place at a meet today wouldve had a world record 40 years ago. But Boxing is only sport not to be affected by Sports Evolution, or these idiots seem to think.

That is right on the mark. It's the "Bert Sugar Syndrome (BSS)."

Everything from the past is better than anything from the present. The past is always perfect.

That is the sickness is the heads of too many boxing fans.

[RespekonMyName]

Its not like he fought a ton of fights like an SRR or someone. 61 fights...Wlad's already fought 59 and if you include kickboxing and amateur fights Vitali has fought hundreds of more fights than Ali and after Adamek would have fought 5 more times than Ali did after 35...So why is this so called "greatest" punch drunk to hell? He also had a 3 year lay off, and fought more guys under 200 before the layoff than he did over 200. And dont tell me that crap that he fought too long past his prime...after the age of 35 he fought only 4 times...2x against a cruiserweight with 6 pro wins and a draw...once where he quit against Larry Holmes and then finally against Berbick...and age 35 wasnt even 3 years after Foreman which was the best win of his career. So why is he so damn punch drunk if he was so hard to hit? Was he just a fraud, all smoke and mirrors? Were championship fights against 14-1-1 Alfredo Evangelista that went the distance proof that he simply had no power to get people over 200 lbs out of there and thus fought too many rounds?

Neither Vitali nor Wlad show any signs of being punch drunk, no slurred speech, no weight gain, no real deterioration...so are they both much harder to hit than Ali? Im trying to figure out if Ali was the greatest why did he clearly sustain much more damage than 99% of fighters over the course of his career...why so many close controversial decisions...jones, young, shavers, spinks, norton...why at 221 lbs was he fighting guys who came in weighing 180 lbs? These are questions I simply cant answer.

Here's a post I made yesterday about novice boxing fans. It applies here.

"The problem is some of these novice fans have no intention of learning the history of the sport and then try to make historical comparisons as if they have any clue what they're talking about. They say blatantly uninformed things such as "Could Roy Jones beat Pacquiao?" or "Mayweather ducked Tito Trinidad!" I've actually seen people post this stuff. Nobody starts out knowing everything, so we were all beginners at some point. Just don't act like you're a genius based off your limited perspective."

[Bright-Eyes]

The better question is why you challenged another user to a fight and then ran out of that thread with your tail tucked between your legs.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=450257&page=4

[Die Antwoord]

The better question is why you challenged another user to a fight and then ran out of that thread with your tail tucked between your legs.





http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=450257&page=4

ill fight him, I just didnt want to spend my time and money going to track down a fat, 50 year old, with a myriad of legal problems, probably no job, no prospects, nothing to his name and beat him to death. I mean I could do that, or I could continue living the good life, but again, Im not a hard person to find whatsoever. This clown by the way has now taken to giving me infractions on a daily basis because he is that pathetic, this is his life, he posts on multiple forums lamenting the past and crying if someone doesnt agree with him. Its sad, really sad. Ill send a prayer to his god to release him of the mysery in which he lives.

[ChopperRead]

ill fight him, I just didnt want to spend my time and money going to track down a fat, 50 year old, with a myriad of legal problems, probably no job, no prospects, nothing to his name and beat him to death. I mean I could do that, or I could continue living the good life, but again, Im not a hard person to find whatsoever. This clown by the way has now taken to giving me infractions on a daily basis because he is that pathetic, this is his life, he posts on multiple forums lamenting the past and crying if someone doesnt agree with him. Its sad, really sad. Ill send a prayer to his god to release him of the mysery in which he lives.

All of that is true. And so is this.

Fat Joe needs to eat a ****in' salad. Pronto.

[Die Antwoord]

The better question is why you challenged another user to a fight and then ran out of that thread with your tail tucked between your legs.





http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=450257&page=4

and run, where have I run to, ive posted where I live and where i train multiple times, come on down...again not hard to find at all.

[madsweeney]

ill fight him, I just didnt want to spend my time and money going to track down a fat, 50 year old, with a myriad of legal problems, probably no job, no prospects, nothing to his name and beat him to death. I mean I could do that, or I could continue living the good life, but again, Im not a hard person to find whatsoever. This clown by the way has now taken to giving me infractions on a daily basis because he is that pathetic, this is his life, he posts on multiple forums lamenting the past and crying if someone doesnt agree with him. Its sad, really sad. Ill send a prayer to his god to release him of the mysery in which he lives.

In other words "I'll fight him, but I have a laundry list of reasons I wont'"