If Ali Was So Hard To Hit and So Fast...Why is He Punch Drunk as Hell

[ChopperRead]

Well he took the punches like a man? And he beat the crap out of possibly the hardest punchers in history in Earnie Shavers and George Foreman...

What does that mean? Sounds like a good way to end up ... the way he ended up.

He took way too many punches "like a man" because he kept having to replace the money his "friends" were blowing.

[AllEyesOpen]

Ali's a chump, he couldn't handle the quality of opponent that the Klits have faced.

[edgarg]

die antwoord stop talking out of your ass

ali had the gloves changed not chopped up

2. copper could get cut from opening a stamp- he blamed his "aryan" bone structure- everyone else blamed his beedy little eyes

do some ****ing research, cooper got cut on his eyes crossing the stret

Cooper happened to be susceptible to cuts BECAUSE he had sharp bony ridges over his eyebrows. Many of his losses were due to cuts and he rarely won a fight without bleeding like a tap.

AT THE TIME the discussion was that Cooper should get the sharp bones planed down which would solve the problem. Another well known fighter whose name I just can't remember had had this done a couple of years before, and it seemed successful. But Cooper decided against it.

THAT'S why he he was a "BLEEDER". This was also a ****ney nickname for "Our 'ennery".

And I think your assessment of Ali is also wrong. The very first person to call him "The Greatest' was........HIMSELF. I've written at least 3 posts about this in the past 3-4 days. It was when he went crazy after beating Liston and his handlers were struggling to restrain him, and he was trying to reach the ropes and was constantly yelling..."I am the GREATEST...I am the GREATEST. I recall Howard Cosell trying to restrain him also.

His buddy Bundini Brown later took it up as a gag, and they had a sort of Vaudeville act together, along with the "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" routine, and ****ing the palms of their hands together etc.

The journalists "jumpred in", and the rest of the DUMBO'S naturally followed suit...as they have done, to this very day. In answer to a usually respectable poster named Lead Uppercut, I went into Ali's record, his PEAK fight against hospital-case Cleveland Williams

{(You should REALLY look this fight up on the Internet, it was a pathetic description of a good, simple guy being taken to the cleaners and then thrown aside after the Ali fight. He ended up with $7,500 form it. His managers, who were supposed to have medical insurance for him, never had it and took all the medical bills he incurred from all the months spent in hospital, hanging between life and death, from his Ali purse. Left him with nothing, ruined his life. Very little of THIS was reported in the Boxing Magazines that I have.)}

Anyway Ali's record is really NOT SO HOT when you see at what level his opponents were at, and what the records of THEIR opponents were. I wish I'd saved all the info as I had with my Marciano "dig". It took a few hours, but I got to the TRUTH...and that was;

ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST....................

[edgarg]

Go to my profile page and see my picture as an All-Conference College Running Back.

Comparing Ali to the Klits is like comparing your local mayor to any U.S. President. Ali was and still is world renown. Ali makes 50+ millions dollars per year just being Muhammad Ali. That is a living legend. Ali sold the rights to his name and memorabilia for $150 million. The Klits are nowhere near that...many people don't even know who they are. You can go to any country in the world and say Muhammad Ali and they know exactly who you are talking about. How many stars and heads of state flew to Zaire to watch Ali vs. Foreman? Remember the fight was cancelled and the people stayed. If you consider the amount of money Ali made vs. the cost of living and the money the Klits are making vs. the cost of living isn't doesn't even come close to adding up. You are delusional...nuff said!

The "Heads of State" (mainly adjacent African) didn't come until just before the actual\ fight. The REST stayed (as you put it) BECAUSE Mobutu, the Dictator, closed off the country, and wouldn't allow anyone to leave, until after ther fight, which was delayed for SIX more weeks.

Foreman wanted to go back to the States and get proper treatment for his cut and better training facilities, and all the rest wanted to reach civilization again for a few weeks, but....... dictators have nasty habits when opposed........

[edgarg]

Go to my profile page and see my picture as an All-Conference College Running Back.

Comparing Ali to the Klits is like comparing your local mayor to any U.S. President. Ali was and still is world renown. Ali makes 50+ millions dollars per year just being Muhammad Ali. That is a living legend. Ali sold the rights to his name and memorabilia for $150 million. The Klits are nowhere near that...many people don't even know who they are. You can go to any country in the world and say Muhammad Ali and they know exactly who you are talking about. How many stars and heads of state flew to Zaire to watch Ali vs. Foreman? Remember the fight was cancelled and the people stayed. If you consider the amount of money Ali made vs. the cost of living and the money the Klits are making vs. the cost of living isn't doesn't even come close to adding up. You are delusional...nuff said!

The question is......Who is delusional.......perhaps you should take a few simple math refresher courses........ Although the figures, including inflation and interest rates are all out there. Ali and Foreman were paid $5 mill each and I don't know how much of that was eaten up by not only their entourages (huge) but by DON KING the Super-Shark himself.

I don't think they got too much out of the $5 mill. And I've never seen that Mobutu, who showed no interest in the fight itself during the whole long period they were there, but only the PR value for himself, actually paid over the full amount.

I think that what they were most happy about was that they got out of there with their LIVES.

[KingTito]

Some people should not be allowed to discuss boxing, and you've proven it with this thread.

[THE REED]

It only takes one fight, one round, even one punch to do permanent damage.

[CubanGuyNYC]

And I think your assessment of Ali is also wrong. The very first person to call him "The Greatest' was........HIMSELF. I've written at least 3 posts about this in the past 3-4 days. It was when he went crazy after beating Liston and his handlers were struggling to restrain him, and he was trying to reach the ropes and was constantly yelling..."I am the GREATEST...I am the GREATEST. I recall Howard Cosell trying to restrain him also.

His buddy Bundini Brown later took it up as a gag, and they had a sort of Vaudeville act together, along with the "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" routine, and ****ing the palms of their hands together etc.

The journalists "jumpred in", and the rest of the DUMBO'S naturally followed suit...as they have done, to this very day. In answer to a usually respectable poster named Lead Uppercut, I went into Ali's record, his PEAK fight against hospital-case Cleveland Williams

{(You should REALLY look this fight up on the Internet, it was a pathetic description of a good, simple guy being taken to the cleaners and then thrown aside after the Ali fight. He ended up with $7,500 form it. His managers, who were supposed to have medical insurance for him, never had it and took all the medical bills he incurred from all the months spent in hospital, hanging between life and death, from his Ali purse. Left him with nothing, ruined his life. Very little of THIS was reported in the Boxing Magazines that I have.)}

Anyway Ali's record is really NOT SO HOT when you see at what level his opponents were at, and what the records of THEIR opponents were. I wish I'd saved all the info as I had with my Marciano "dig". It took a few hours, but I got to the TRUTH...and that was;

ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST....................

Edgar, you do some good research. You dig deep and find some interesting information. However, I can't shake the feeling that you're a conspiracy theorist at heart. Healthy skepticism and critical thinking are vital in getting to the truth, but you always seem to swim against the current. Ali promoted himself as "The Greatest," but he acknowledged that "Sugar" Ray Robinson was greatest boxer of all time. Nearly everyone considers Muhammad Ali the greatest heavyweight ever. Some of this might be explained by the "herd mentality," but do you really think you're uncovering truisms that everyone else has missed?

While we're on the subject, who do you consider the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time? And who, in your opinion, is the greatest boxer of all time?

[edgarg]

Wlad & Vitali combined in their 15 year professional career(s) have a sum total of 1 fight with an elite A-level Heavyweight.

In that one fight, A prime Vitali Klitschko failed to last a mere 7 rounds with an old Lennox Lewis. And took a beating so horrific that he was nearly permanently disfigured and had to temporarily retire for 4 years to recover physically & psychologically.

Ali on the other hand, had somewhere in the neighborhood of at least 10 fights with elite A-Level (Lennox Lewis caliber) Heavyweights.

Ali has fought 10 times as many elite Heavyweights as the Klitschko's combined.

The simple answer to your question sir is, there's a very large disparity in quality when you compare Ali's competition to the Klitschko's. When you fight the type of guys Ali's fought, you're inevitably going to get hit a few times, and hard.

Imagine if Vitali & Wlad had to fight 10 Lennox Lewis caliber Heavyweights throughout the course of their career. You can't imagine it, can you?

If the Klits had to fight in stacked eras like the 70's & 90's. They wouldn't be the Klitschko's, they would be Andrew Golota.

CONGRATULATIONS SIR...or MADAM as the case may be. You have written the most lies in the first few lines of your post to date. FAR more than even the other fantasists who are not backward in imagination, but who reject actual, straingt out LIES which are provable to be false. The actual infoormation is ALL around us.

If you are in Australia,...then do yourself a favour, and STAY there. You wouldn't make it here.