Jim Dwyer is an idiot...period...

[WladIsTheChamp]

How would you know? Wladimir hasn't fought anyone that made me think "Oh man he can beat Toney, and Tarver!" the only one close was a way past his prime Rahman. Until Wlad fights someone like Toney, or Tarver we'll never know. I don't consider his win over the great Samuel Peter to prove anything at all really.

I think Toney and Tarver would beat most of the HWs on Wlad's resume.

Am I still an idiot?

Yes, you are still an idiot for thinking that Toney and Tarver would beat MOST of the HWs on Wlad's resume. What an idiotic question/thought.

Tarver had ONE single fight at HW, against a journeyman and he only managed to get a decision, a guy a shot Peter KOd in 2, Aguilera was fat as hell for that fight too. I saw it, Tarver won and was slicker but nothing he threw hurt Aguilera.

Toney? Look at BoxRec and look at his HW record - he had to take steroids to get an SD over Batchedler.

What makes you think those two could beat MOST of the HWs Wlad has beaten when they clearly have not shown that they can. Yep, you are an idiot.

[Las Vegas,]

You are an even bigger idiot than I originally though... LOL Toney? Hold up, look at your post you idiot, you just owned yourself.

You talk about Toney as a great benchmark for Wlad? LOL You do know that Peter beat Toney twice, right? And Wlad owned Peter. Rahman? Toney couldn't get past Rahman, Wlad easily dispatched Rahman.


So let me see, you give Toney, Hopkins, and Tarver a chance to beat Wlad? LOL

Based on the fact that they are all 40+ or the fact that they were never HWs? Or perhaps the great fights those have had in the past 5 years?

Let me guess, you are AA, who still thinks that Ali would beat the boring robot brothers with both hands tied behind his back, do I have you pegged correctly?

Yeah and I was just like you. "Anyone who thinks Samuel Peter is gonna beat Toney is insane!" He beat him twice. That's what happens when you fight eachother, you'll lose. Tarver came back last weekend and beat the "legend", the guy with the speed of Meldrick Taylor and the punching power of George Foreman . Beat him when he was a 4-1 underdog.

You can call me an idiot all you want, but Wlad lost to Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster. That pretty much speaks for itself too. I don't consider Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster to be better fighters than Toney and Tarver, if you do...well maybe you should take back that idiot comment.

[John Barron]

very true, if he keeps betting on his wrong predictions he will soon be living on the streets.

That Ortiz picture is great,i wish there was one with a Battered Ortiz face with "when i was nine i always knew i would quit against Marcos Maidana"?

how's this?

[WladIsTheChamp]

Yeah and I was just like you. "Anyone who thinks Samuel Peter is gonna beat Toney is insane!" He beat him twice. That's what happens when you fight eachother, you'll lose. Tarver came back last weekend and beat the "legend", the guy with the speed of Meldrick Taylor and the punching power of George Foreman . Beat him when he was a 4-1 underdog.

You can call me an idiot all you want, but Wlad lost to Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster. That pretty much speaks for itself too. I don't consider Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster to be better fighters than Toney and Tarver, if you do...well maybe you should take back that idiot comment.

Tarver beat a legend this weekend? I didn't know Green was a legend... hmm... I must have missed something. I remember Green as that guy who was a natural SMW who beat a washed up old Jones and only had 6 fights or so at CW at the end of his career to try and make some money. Just cause he beat a natural SMW and was a 4-1 underdog, and had ONE fight at HW against a journeyman, you are ready to say that Tarver is better than MOST of Wlad's HW opponents?

Sorry, man, if you are not an idiot, then you seriously lack analytical skills. Based on what are you judging that Tarver is a good HW and would be able to beat "MOST" of Wlad's opponents - who were real proven HWs? Based on what are you judging Toney as a good HW? Their past accomplishments at lower weights? In that case maybe Floyd should move to HW, he'll rule then. You lack of judgment is laughable.

You do realize that the only reason why all these guys want to move up is because all the money is at HW (except maybe for Pac and Floyd). Khan and Judah got paid $1 million total for a supposed superfight, Wlad's fight pull in $10 million minimum, his last fight with Haye probably did $30 million.

[shenmue]

how's this?

That's great HA. Thanks.

[Paclan]

There's only one guy on youtube that's right 100% of time for the past year now but I'm not gonna say his name because he makes me too much money lol.

[Las Vegas,]

Tarver beat a legend this weekend? I didn't know Green was a legend... hmm... I must have missed something. I remember Green as that guy who was a natural SMW who beat a washed up old Jones and only had 6 fights or so at CW at the end of his career to try and make some money. Just cause he beat a natural SMW and was a 4-1 underdog, and had ONE fight at HW against a journeyman, you are ready to say that Tarver is better than MOST of Wlad's HW opponents?

Sorry, man, if you are not an idiot, then you seriously lack analytical skills. Based on what are you judging that Tarver is a good HW and would be able to beat "MOST" of Wlad's opponents - who were real proven HWs? Based on what are you judging Toney as a good HW? Their past accomplishments at lower weights? In that case maybe Floyd should move to HW, he'll rule then. You lack of judgment is laughable.

You do realize that the only reason why all these guys want to move up is because all the money is at HW (except maybe for Pac and Floyd). Khan and Judah got paid $1 million total for a supposed superfight, Wlad's fight pull in $10 million minimum, his last fight with Haye probably did $30 million.

Tarver and Toney would beat Wladimir Klitschko. Why? Wladimir hasn't fought anyone like them.

Tell me 5 reasons why Wladimir is not only better than Tarver and Toney but would beat them.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Tarver and Toney would beat Wladimir Klitschko. Why? Wladimir hasn't fought anyone like them.

Tell me 5 reasons why Wladimir is not only better than Tarver and Toney but would beat them.

LOL, I think you are the one that needs to tell me the 5 reasons why they think that they'll beat Wlad because a crazy man has to defend his theories, a sane man doesn't. I am the sane one here in case you haven't noticed.

But, it is kind of fun to poke holes in your fantasy world so I'll give you reasons (I can give you a lot more than five, but here goes):

For Tarver:

42 years old
never a HW
had one HW fight against a fight journeyman, couldn't hurt him
KO% 57, against LHW mostly, so not a great puncher
got outboxed by Dawson easily, Hopkins, Jones, Jhonson, and some guy named Eric Harding, so not the best boxer either
doesn't have a longer reach, height, more power, or size on Wlad, not quicker than Wlad, doesn't have as much skill as Wlad

Who has he beaten that even comes close to Wlad? Even in size dimentions, let's start with that, forget about record, just size. He had trouble with a fat journeyman his first and only fight at HW, a HW that's kind of smallish.


Toney?

Don't make me laugh....

Fat as hell, slow as hell, short as hell, short arms, power is what at the 50% mark, has been caught with steroids twice (that's the only way he can compete at HW, is by taking the juice, I bet he is on the juice now and has been since moving to CW). The only positive for him is a good chin but Wlad will put him in a comma with the way Toney fought Peter, which is the only way he knows how to fight.


Now you tell me why you think they will beat Wlad, I want to get a good laugh...

[Ogecca MaMa]

wladchamp isnt the best guy to debate with, but from what i've seen so far he owned you.

Tarver and Toney would beat Wladimir Klitschko. Why? Wladimir hasn't fought anyone like them.

Tell me 5 reasons why Wladimir is not only better than Tarver and Toney but would beat them.

so I can beat Wlad as well, since he never fought me. logic at it's best

Tony's legs will be gone by 7th round, trying to dodge Wlad's jabs + some leaning and he will mop the floor with his fast food belly. The guy can't get C class boxers, so he goes and fights under mma rules.

same with Tarver, no chance with Arreola, Boytsov, Povetkin etc..and they not even that great. Hell even Wlad isn't as superior as he used to be. but he is effective. so honestly, I don't know what you are talking about Kltp

[WladIsTheChamp]

Tarver and Toney would beat Wladimir Klitschko. Why? Wladimir hasn't fought anyone like them.

Tell me 5 reasons why Wladimir is not only better than Tarver and Toney but would beat them.

If he did, you would complain that he is beating up on old, fat, washed-up, middle weights, instead Wlad fights undefeated world champs in their prime.