The Way To Beat Mayweather

[waxfondler]

How long have you been watching Floyd?

i loved 130-135 floyd... WW floyd, i started losing interest.
IMO, "pretty boy" was more dynamic than "money"

[cupocity303]

The TS would've been better off if he had just given the generic analysis without naming specific fighters, a la Kostya Tszyu.

There is a way to beat current Wlad Klitschko and I will micro-analytically break this down for you. Now let me destroy my argument by specifically naming a smaller, lighter Heavyweight from the past, destroying my own argument and creating a distraction with Fanboy wrangling taking over the thread.

[cupocity303]

You're really trying your hardest to sound knowledgable, but you're spitting gibberish. You can't call him formulaic in one breath and say his style is DEFENSIVE. Fighting defensive is reactionary. There's no formula, which is the root word for your word of the day, for reacting to an opponent. Floyd fought Hatton in a wrestling match and against the ropes, Marquez from distance and range, Judah with a high guard and walking forward, Mosley by walking him down with a low guard to bait him so he can counter in the pocket... the different FORMULAS go on and on. What Floyd does is forces his opponent's to lose confidence in THEIR formula. You wanna jab? He circles and counter over it and take it away. You wanna rough him up on the inside? He throws one punch, fall in, create space with his elbow, and work your pit. See in your haste to crown somebody a Floyd lover, you decided to debate someone who is a fan of boxing, not BOXERS. Everything you stated trying to sound knowledgable about Floyd and his nuances in your attempt to school me...I already said on page 6. I like your style, you obviously watch boxing and can point out some things about the science. You just happen to pick the wrong word, formulaic, when describing Floyd.

OUCH,

Post of the Day, IMO.

[studentofthegam]

Personally, I think the way to beat Mayweather is by boxing him. Not just that simple obviously. You need massive punching power, and intelligence. I think Floyd's worst nightmare would be Kostya Tszyu. I think the way to beat him is to hold over his head the threat that you're capable of hitting him and capable of stopping him when you do. This will stop Floyd from jumping in and potshotting. Then it's a matter of outworking him and minimizing his return fire. These guys that try to run at him end up maximizing his connect percentage and end up getting tied up inside. You really gotta pick spots and only spots to do that - just enough to up your punch count and steal moments for the scorecards. And you definitely need to be able to feint a lot. Floyd reacts to his opponent. That's his talent. You can't just try to blow fastballs by him. You gotta threaten with a mean fastball and set him up with changeups. Just another way to keep his mind busy and his offense down.

Floyd's biggest flaw would be that his style is based on having to be perfect. He wins rounds by clearly landing and not clearly getting hit. If somebody were able to muddy that water a bit then they turn everything around and put the onus on Floyd to have to make something happen.

If there was a WW Kostya Tszyu today that would be the guy to beat Floyd.

You made some good points on beating Floyd. Feints and power are key. The only thing is Floyd punches when his opponent isnt ready to fire back. The way he changes speed on his punches would make it tough to make a blueprint. He doesnt throw punches full steam everytime. He just touches you to get in position for a hard shot. If a fighter can get Floyd to over commit and they avoid the clinch they got a shot. I dont think Tszyu is that guy. If you remember Judah was giving him the business before he got caught being lax. There's no way Mayweather would have relaxed like that.

[leegeelee]

I would like to see how mayweather fights when he is down a couple of rounds by points. But its very hard to beat mayweather.

If you'd like to see how Floyd fights when he's down a round or two watch rds 3 thru 8 against Judah; or watch rds 3 thru 12 against Mosley. ****m Richardson said it best, when he's hurt or behind ( which is rarely) he grows two horns and a tail and spits fire.

[Lords]

pacquiao is the worst nightmare for mayweather

he can outwork him 12 rounds
he can hurt him at any distance
pac has an iron clad chin
he's a lion like haggler at his best
but unlike haggler- pacman knows how to box aswell

pacquiao might be the greatest P4P fighter of all time

ahead of SRR

This is one of the most funniest post i've seen in a while. Manny couldn't outbox or outwork Floyd in his dreams. The only way Manny would beat Floyd is by KO ONLY. Zero chance he outboxes him. ZERO. And Manny can't hurt Floyd at any distance because Floyd's defense is superb. He would have to get inside and beat him but Floyd would keep him on the outside with boxing skill and quickness.

[Chadmazing]

The TS would've been better off if he had just given the generic analysis without naming specific fighters, a la Kostya Tszyu.

There is a way to beat current Wlad Klitschko and I will micro-analytically break this down for you. Now let me destroy my argument by specifically naming a smaller, lighter Heavyweight from the past, destroying my own argument and creating a distraction with Fanboy wrangling taking over the thread.

I clearly noted Tszyu himself wasn't a Welterweight but a stylistic clone would be the visualization.

[Big_L]

a boxer with height and reach, a great jab and big right hand....vernon forrest.

[Travdog]

The way to beat Floyd is first to catch him as he is slipping physically. Next you have to be long, with long arms with a piercing jab. You also have to be able to punch when he punches as someone said earlier. No man is unbeatable but Floyd is so determined, conditioned and unflappable that he defeats his opponents mentally. I see no one in the current crop of fighters 147 and lower who can hang with him for more than 5 rounds

[waxfondler]

You're really trying your hardest to sound knowledgable, but you're spitting gibberish. You can't call him formulaic in one breath and say his style is DEFENSIVE. Fighting defensive is reactionary. There's no formula, which is the root word for your word of the day, for reacting to an opponent. Floyd fought Hatton in a wrestling match and against the ropes, Marquez from distance and range, Judah with a high guard and walking forward, Mosley by walking him down with a low guard to bait him so he can counter in the pocket... the different FORMULAS go on and on. What Floyd does is forces his opponent's to lose confidence in THEIR formula. You wanna jab? He circles and counter over it and take it away. You wanna rough him up on the inside? He throws one punch, fall in, create space with his elbow, and work your pit. See in your haste to crown somebody a Floyd lover, you decided to debate someone who is a fan of boxing, not BOXERS. Everything you stated trying to sound knowledgable about Floyd and his nuances in your attempt to school me...I already said on page 6. I like your style, you obviously watch boxing and can point out some things about the science. You just happen to pick the wrong word, formulaic, when describing Floyd.

first of all, i always state my opinion. you can sit in your chair and "drop knowledge" on me all you like.... bottom line is you and i can have TOTALLY different perspectives of how floyd fights. i pretty much agree with your
assessment on page 6, but to say floyd is UNBEATABLE is a bit much.

like i always said, floyd demoralizes his opponents & takes their hearts... then once that happens, its a walk in the park for floyd. a hesitant fighter that throws a weak jab will get countered all night. ive been following floyd for a bit... BUT i can honestly tell you i dont keep a vault of his fight tapes.

trust me, im aware of his game & i LOVE debating with knowledgable fight fans, and if i get schooled i dont mind.... but to get condescended to because i dont see it the way you see it is pretty funny... ive watched enough floyd to TRULY appreciate his talent, ive tried to apply it in sparring, and i can honestly say ALOT of his game is UNSEEN....

but i stick to my guns in saying that floyd is formulaic.... he sits back, slowly takes away the jab... stiff straights to the body... step back... feints.... etc...
lets just say his FORMULA works... and YES, he makes others formula NOT work.