was ali really the greatest?

[Barry Halls]

Bro Oscar DeLeHoya is charismatic and popular no one confuses him with being the GOAT. I hate when the great Ali is made out to be myth that the media created. Its a slap in the face to career he put together.

being top10 atg along guys like willie pep or duran is a slap in the face?

alis resume is rock solid but you can't deny his popularity gives him some extra points when people talk about his legacy.

[-Kev-]

this is the thing, i cant in my honest opinion ever pick a guy like greb or langford over ali. i kno what these guys did, amazing feats. they astound me. thing is ive never seen them. i have to go with other ppls words for it, or look at records. that only tells a shell of a story. i saw what ali did, how he shook america and the world. i know every single big name on his record and how he beat them. i kno what he went thru, etc. its not like im picking an inferior person or fighter over these guys. im just picking what i, myself, can prove. im not gonna try and be aboxing historian and pretend i spent a great portion opf my life trying to dig up tapes from these guys, its just not true.

I wish I can see some fights of every fighter in the last 100 years. First of all I don't even have the time to do that. Secondly, you would be hard pressed to find even one fight of some of those boxers in historians top 100 ATG list. I have tried my best to find some of fights of some of these fighters in the trading block and can't find any, only training videos if i'm lucky. Lastly, texts, old newspaper articles and training videos of robotic boxers in black in white don't tell me shit.

[jrosales13]

Greatness is resume and accomplishments.

Ali resume nor accomplishments are greater than guys like SRR, Langford, Armstrong, or Greb.

Doesn't mean he wasn't a great fighter. He damn sure was. One of the greats. But, when you are ranking ATG list. Skills and talent are nice. But, resume and accomplishment trumps that

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

being top10 atg along guys like willie pep or duran is a slap in the face?

alis resume is rock solid but you can't deny his popularity gives him some extra points when people talk about his legacy.

Harry thats not what I said. Being Top 10 isnt a slap in the face but acting like Ali is mainly considered great because he was popular....is.

[Kagami Taiga]

being top10 atg along guys like willie pep or duran is a slap in the face?

alis resume is rock solid but you can't deny his popularity gives him some extra points when people talk about his legacy.

and what is the problem with this? im trying to figure that out. same thing can be said about jordan. i dont get why ppl try to use it as a detriment against him.

[Barry Halls]

and what is the problem with this? im trying to figure that out. same thing can be said about jordan. i dont get why ppl try to use it as a detriment against him.

It's not a detriment to him. It just means people will generally rate him higher than they should (accomplishment and resume wise).

Being popular or charismatic is not a bad thing, but it has little to do with how great a fighter you are.

[-Kev-]

Really? hes greater than Harry Greb and Robinson?

I'll ignore the Robinson line.

But, have you seen a Harry Greb fight?

[LeG00N]

robinson definitely a point. but why is greb greater than ali? because he beat more ppl? because he fought guys much bigger than him? or because u have seen him fight? or because you got the words out of the mouth of some boxing scribe?

because he defeated around 13 HOF's some of them with one eye

he defeated 18 World Champions

he has arguably the the best resume in boxing history

he was arguably the greatest Middleweight with guys like Robinson and Monzon

[-Kev-]

I'm horrible at searching. Any one knows where I can find Harry Greb, Langford, full fights?

I'd really appreciate it.

[Kagami Taiga]

I wish I can see some fights of every fighter in the last 100 years. First of all I don't even have the time to do that. Secondly, you would be hard pressed to find even one fight of some of those boxers in historians top 100 ATG list. I have tried my best to find some of fights of some of these fighters in the trading block and can't find any, only training videos if i'm lucky. Lastly, texts, old newspaper articles and training videos of robotic boxers in black in white don't tell me shit.

thats the problem. not to say that what these guys did wasnt great. how can u measure it against another great guy we have seen when u have nothing but newspaper clippings etc.? because the numbers? how does that work? sure a guy like greb fought much more than ali, but how do we know his quality of opponent was anywhere near as good as ali's? i dunno that and the fact is that anybody who would is most likely not alive.