Originally posted by MANIAC310
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was ali really the greatest?
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no mention of archie moore?
last guy to knock out marciano
archie (middle weight) moore
at 39 beat maxim (who had just beaten SRR)
anyway- ali is the greatest
he was a blown up cruiser weight in the most dominant HW division era- and he owned everyone- including losing 3 of his prime years
in other words- he dominanted the hardest HW division when he was past his prime
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At heavyweight: Yes. Some say Joe Louis, I'm taking Ali all day.
Including all divisions: No. He may not even be top 5 all time including all divisions, which sounds crazy but shows just how good some of the lower weight fighters were and how impressive their resumes are.
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The problem with Heavyweights when it come to judging resume/accomplishments is that Heavyweights who competed their whole career at Heavyweight will always be at a disadvantage when it come to all time P4p lists.......
If you look at most peoples GOAT lists...it includes people who have gone up in weight to win titles....heavyweights dont have that luxury........
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At heavyweight its between him and Louis. P4p I rank Langford, Greb, Robinson with Ali somewhere between 15 and 20 or so. Just to many other fighters in history who fought and beat better comp. Ali beat the best heavyweight comp, not the best overall comp.
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I pretty much agree with the common opinion that Ali is the greatest Heavyweight of all time but not greatest P4P of all time.
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