Comments Thread For: George Foreman: Klischko Was Afraid To Engage Haye

[Deal With It]

I totally disagree with that reasoning. Go look at the list of current champions by weight division and country they represent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...xing_champions and you will see in just about all the lighter weights there are not many champions from the United States.

There's only only one true champ in each division, the lineal champ. Any and everybody else is a paper titlist.

As of now, there are more boxers from the U.S. at the top of their respective division than any other nationality.

Cruiserweight, Light Heavyweight, Super-Middleweight, Welterweight, Junior Welterweight & Bantamweight all have American boxers on top of these weight classes.

[ChopperRead]

You seem to pick and choose what you reply to. Ya Holyfield did a good job against Valuev. Actually a really cruiserweight or light weight with movement could have beaten him too with the same game plan. That's the perfect game plan to fight with against Valuev. And ya Holyfield is shot but for a guy like Valuev who his getting close to 40 (actually could be older for all we know-- i read somewhere that he might be older than they say he is) and is a giant, he is way over the hill. A guy that size has a very short career. And you ignored what I said about Byrd. That shows hot over the hill Holyfield is as far as reflexes and being able to deal with a counter puncher which Valuev is not and could never test his reflexes.

As far as your take on Lennox. I undoubtedly believe Lewis could beat Moore and easily beat Foreman at anytime in their career. Mccall got lucky. Simple as that. Just like Rahman. It happens. You give me 10 fights with either one of those guys with Lewis and Lewis beats them 9 times out of 10. The Moore fight was a fluke and Foreman got lucky he was losing that fight.

Rahman and McCall didn't get lucky. It's hilarious how Lewis, who people hated when he was fighting, is now supposed to be superman. Lewis was a lazy **** who was often unfocused and didn't bother to train. If he lost because of that, it wasn't "luck" on the part of the people who beat him. Not at all. They beat him because he is an idiot who thought he had other big things going on, bigger than his boxing career. As his joke of a post-boxing career has proven, he should have been more worried about boxing when he able to do it. He was a terrible boxing commentator and is obviously none too bright. But Rahman and McCall beat Lewis because they were ready to take advantage of his weaknesses, including his inattentiveness to training.

[JAB5239]

Rahman and McCall didn't get lucky. It's hilarious how Lewis, who people hated when he was fighting, is now supposed to be superman. Lewis was a lazy **** who was often unfocused and didn't bother to train. If he lost because of that, it wasn't "luck" on the part of the people who beat him. Not at all. They beat him because he is an idiot who thought he had other big things going on, bigger than his boxing career. As his joke of a post-boxing career has proven, he should have been more worried about boxing when he able to do it. He was a terrible boxing commentator and is obviously none too bright. But Rahman and McCall beat Lewis because they were ready to take advantage of his weaknesses, including is inattentiveness to training.

The point is Lewis proved he was the better man by rematching them and destroying them. When focused they never stood a chance. You see, he redeemed himself in 100% of his losses. Thats what great champions do, they rematch their most disappointing fights.

[klitschkobrofan]

There's only only one true champ in each division, the lineal champ. Any and everybody else is a paper titlist.

As of now, there are more boxers from the U.S. at the top of their respective division than any other nationality.

Cruiserweight, Light Heavyweight, Super-Middleweight, Welterweight, Junior Welterweight & Bantamweight all have American boxers on top of these weight classes.

Ok whos the Bantamweight linear champ? If you dont want to use paper champs then lets use ring who I do count ahead of all the organizations WBC,WBA,WBO,IBF: All these divisions --- WHICH ARE THE LIGHTEST DIVISIONS THAT WOULD HAVE ATHLETES WHO WOULD NOT BE IN BASKETBALL OR FOOTBALL AT ANYTIME IN HISTORY-- RING ratings have all non Americans at the top.

* Jr. Flyweight
* Lightweight
* Jr. Lightweight
* Featherweight
* Bantamweight
* Jr. Bantamweight
* Flyweight
* Jr. Featherweight
* Strawweight


According to Ring they have no selected champion for cruiserweight or super middleweight- yes an American is #1 but its contested by several non Americans right below that and no champion as of yet for either of those divisions. Middleweight DOES have a champion Sergio Martinez and he's from Argentina. Light Heavyweight Bernard the phenom -- hes American and champion . We got Miguel Cotto who is #1 but not considered champ yet by Ring who is from Puerto Rico, and at Welterweight we got Manny Pacquiao from the Phillipines -- No Manny does like to play basketball but I don't think he's going to get in the NBA anytime soon....

There are some good Americans in there but the truth is its disputed and in most cases the lighter divisions its ruled by non-Americans. So the argument all the fighters are going to Basketball and Football is thrown out the window. People also forget for a long time Russia etc didn't have professionals in boxing. If that was still the case (and Ukraine was still part of Russia) we wouldn't be hearing of the Klitschko's right now either.

Peace

[klitschkobrofan]

There's only only one true champ in each division, the lineal champ. Any and everybody else is a paper titlist.

As of now, there are more boxers from the U.S. at the top of their respective division than any other nationality.

Cruiserweight, Light Heavyweight, Super-Middleweight, Welterweight, Junior Welterweight & Bantamweight all have American boxers on top of these weight classes.

Rahman and McCall didn't get lucky. It's hilarious how Lewis, who people hated when he was fighting, is now supposed to be superman. Lewis was a lazy **** who was often unfocused and didn't bother to train. If he lost because of that, it wasn't "luck" on the part of the people who beat him. Not at all. They beat him because he is an idiot who thought he had other big things going on, bigger than his boxing career. As his joke of a post-boxing career has proven, he should have been more worried about boxing when he able to do it. He was a terrible boxing commentator and is obviously none too bright. But Rahman and McCall beat Lewis because they were ready to take advantage of his weaknesses, including is inattentiveness to training.

Well you got a point. Lewis did get a little lazy. But even when lazy I think that out of 10 fights he would win 7 or 8 of them against the same guys. In that respect they got lucky. Also, he showed that when he was not lazy and focused he could blow them out of the water(in the rematches). When I compare fighters I like to compare them at their best. At least in most cases I wouldn't do that with Buster Douglas. lol

[Money Shot]

The point is Lewis proved he was the better man by rematching them and destroying them. When focused they never stood a chance. You see, he redeemed himself in 100% of his losses. Thats what great champions do, they rematch their most disappointing fights.

How did he "destroy" McCall in the rematch? The guy had a crack withdrawal breakdown in the ring that had nothing to do with Lewis. And he was was knocked out cold by Rahman, didn't even beat the count.

[Deal With It]

Ok whos the Bantamweight linear champ?

American Nonito Donaire

WHICH ARE THE LIGHTEST DIVISIONS THAT WOULD HAVE ATHLETES WHO WOULD NOT BE IN BASKETBALL OR FOOTBALL AT ANYTIME IN HISTORY-- RING ratings have all non Americans at the top.

* Jr. Flyweight
* Lightweight
* Jr. Lightweight
* Featherweight
* Bantamweight
* Jr. Bantamweight
* Flyweight
* Jr. Featherweight
* Strawweight

Americans for the most part, don't come in those sizes, but still manage to be competitive in those weightclasses nonetheless.

According to Ring they have no selected champion for cruiserweight or super middleweight- yes an American is #1 but its contested by several non Americans right below that and no champion as of yet for either of those divisions.

Being the Ring champ is not a necessary requirement for being #1 in a division or the lineal champ.

at Welterweight we got Manny Pacquiao from the Phillipines

Mayweather beat the #1 guy at Welterweight just a little over a year ago, to this day Pacquiao still hasn't. Floyd Mayweather (American) is the #1 Welterweight, and #1 boxer in the world.

There are some good Americans in there but the truth is its disputed

Doesn't matter. If you're ranked #1 in your weight class, you are what you are until proven otherwise.

and in most cases the lighter divisions its ruled by non-Americans.

And alot of those smaller weight classes are also disputed, but of course you conviently overlook this. The fact of the matter is, there are more Americans at the top of their division than any other nationality. This is an undeniable fact.

So the argument all the fighters are going to Basketball and Football is thrown out the window.

Based on your flimsy poorly thought out argument of the U.S. not being dominant in the midget weight classes so this means they suck at boxing? LMAO. Funny thing is, the U.S. is far more competitive in the midget weight classes than Europe is, so what conclusion do you reach based on this?

People also forget for a long time Russia etc didn't have professionals in boxing. If that was still the case (and Ukraine was still part of Russia) we wouldn't be hearing of the Klitschko's right now either.

The Klitschko's are the exception to the rule. There's nothing special about Russian or Ukrainian boxers. Boxers from the U.S. dominated Eastern European boxers for just about the entire 20th century in the Olympics. Also, don't you find it strange that not one Eastern European boxer won a Heavyweight title during the 90's? And there were several of them competing throughout the entire decade (Maskaev, Golota, Mavrovic, the Klitschko's) Would this have anything to do with the 90's being filled with elite A+ level Heavyweights? Absofawkinlutely.

[ChopperRead]

How did he "destroy" McCall in the rematch? The guy had a crack withdrawal breakdown in the ring that had nothing to do with Lewis. And he was was knocked out cold by Rahman, didn't even beat the count.

Yeah, it's hilarious that people like Fat Joe want to say Lewis "destroyed" McCall in the rematch, when Ollie was so strung out he started to melt down on the spot. Fat Joe is heavily invested in promoting one of his heroes, Lewis, and trying to make him look better than he was.

The fact that he destroyed fat Rahman in the rematch doesn't change the fact that the unfocused, lazy, ****** **** got knocked out cold by him in the first place.

[AllEyesOpen]

I still don't get all this Wlad bull****, Haye lost that fight, simple and plain.

If you go into a fight expecting your opponent to fight your fight just based on mind games and have no answer unless he falls for it then you planned on losing.

[esex]

I agree with George , but then he protected his own chin so much that he didn't want to fight Larry Holmes ...