Comments Thread For: George Foreman: Klischko Was Afraid To Engage Haye

[ChopperRead]

I still don't get all this Wlad bull****, Haye lost that fight, simple and plain.

If you go into a fight expecting your opponent to fight your fight just based on mind games and have no answer unless he falls for it then you planned on losing.

If someone who didn't know a thing about boxing read some of these comments, they'd think Wlad got badly beaten by Haye.

That's because certain people have a vested interest in downplaying Klitschko accomplishments, for obvious reasons.

[Steak]

You seem to pick and choose what you reply to. Ya Holyfield did a good job against Valuev. Actually a really cruiserweight or light weight with movement could have beaten him too with the same game plan. That's the perfect game plan to fight with against Valuev. And ya Holyfield is shot but for a guy like Valuev who his getting close to 40 (actually could be older for all we know-- i read somewhere that he might be older than they say he is) and is a giant, he is way over the hill. A guy that size has a very short career. And you ignored what I said about Byrd. That shows hot over the hill Holyfield is as far as reflexes and being able to deal with a counter puncher which Valuev is not and could never test his reflexes.

As far as your take on Lennox. I undoubtedly believe Lewis could beat Moore and easily beat Foreman at anytime in their career. Mccall got lucky. Simple as that. Just like Rahman. It happens. You give me 10 fights with either one of those guys with Lewis and Lewis beats them 9 times out of 10. The Moore fight was a fluke and Foreman got lucky he was losing that fight.

A Cruiserweight did fight him. And it happened AFTER Holyfield fought Valuev. Haye used that exact game plan against Valuev, after seeing what Holyfield did, and old man Holyfield still executed it better. Hell, a lot of people thought Valuev deserved to beat Haye, and Haye is the 3rd best HW in the world. As for Valuev's age, he was a year older against Haye than he was against Holyfield.

I dont see what Byrd has to do with any of this. Holyfield also got demolished by Toney and even Larry Donald. All that did was accentuate how shot Holyfield had really become. I never claimed that Holyfield would have beaten everyone at HW, but if you deserve to beat a top 5 Heavyweight, then youre a top heavyweight. plain and simple.


I find it very hard to believe that two 'flukes' happen in the same time period. In fact, I dont believe in flukes, especially when the 'fluke' is a 12 round decision, not a random punch. And even in hindsight, wouldnt you say that Moorer's win over Holyfield was greater than McCalls win over Lewis?

[kendom]

Why do you call Foreman "an all time Great" ....is it because he can consume and all time record in hamburgers?

Foreman's "Greatness"as far as I am concerned is because he was around in a very weak era, and because he was very strong, although unskilled, and because he was regarded as a VERY BIG heavyweight, compared to the fighters of his time. So every fight he had was a NO SKILL "shoot-out" with smaller guys, and the one who was last standing, won. That doesn't make him an "All-time Great".

Or was it because he came back in an even WEAKER period which had been cleaned up by Tyson, {who then went crazy and boozed and whored it all away-then to gaol}, put on about another 40 lbs, and fought absolute NOBODY's for a few years being lucky to get a title fight with a good-ish champion, who happened to have the weakest chin in the division, often KD'd Michael Moorer, the former Light-Heavy champ, who was also about 30 lbs lighter than Foreman for this fight.. All he needed was ONE punch, and he eventually got it.

As we ALL know, even those who call Foreman "All time Great" he lost EVERY ONE of the 10 rounds fought, by a wide margin, but took the punishment, and Moorer was silly enough to allow Foreman to hit him on the chin for a KO. It was almost the only real punch he'd landed in the fight. And from then on, he avoided anyone except "tin-cans", until beaten by....of all people...Shannon Briggs.

As a matter of fact, the way I understand it, he wasn't even Champion then, having been stripped about 3 years before for refusing to give Axel Schultz an ordered rematch after eking a dubious razor thin decision. So, in reality, Briggs was never champion either, {until he beat Sergei Lyakovitch in 2006}. After Schultz, he fought another few No-names., so his second title stint was mostly fake matchmaking with 3-4 "tin-cans". He avoided anyone even average.

I don't call Foreman and "All-time Great"....... neither should anyone else. The only outstanding thing about him was that he was boxing at a late age, for which he deserved to be complimented.

You call the 1970's the golden age of heavyweight boxing a weak era??? The bolded part makes no sense whatsoever and makes me wonder whether you know what you're talking about. He had a powerful jab and with an arsenal of punches like left hooks and uppercuts, he didnt throw jabs and right hands all day that's for sure.

[Barry Halls]

i would say haye was afraid to engage klitschko. why would klitschko put his neck out there when he could just pimpslap haye around the ring without resistance?

[ChopperRead]

i would say haye was afraid to engage klitschko. why would klitschko put his neck out there when he could just pimpslap haye around the ring without resistance?

Don't ask logical questions like that!

What the haters really want is for Wlad to stick his mug out and let Haye smack him over and over until he's on the canvas, so they can say, "See, we told you Wlad is a glass-chinned fraud all along!"

The only way they will truly be happy is if he loses.

[LeadUppercut]

i would say haye was afraid to engage klitschko. why would klitschko put his neck out there when he could just pimpslap haye around the ring without resistance?

Because thats what most great fighters did. They did not fight down to the level of their opponent, they got them out of there.

[Barry Halls]

Because thats what most great fighters did. They did not fight down to the level of their opponent, they got them out of there.

theres loads of ATG safety first fighters whos content winning lopsided decision.
Why should we expect more of Wlad, with his suspect chin?

Fighters have different styles catered to their skills. Not everyone can be a blitzing offensive force.

[JAB5239]

How did he "destroy" McCall in the rematch? The guy had a crack withdrawal breakdown in the ring that had nothing to do with Lewis. And he was was knocked out cold by Rahman, didn't even beat the count.

He was not withdrawing from crack 1, because he was in rehab, 2 ******* is out of your system in 2 to 3 days with the psychological effect gone within 2 weeks. This was the same guy who has always had a screw loose, but when he trealized he wasn't in the ring with the same man as before he lost it. If it had been the same Lennox from the first fight I have no doubt McCall wouldn't have cracked the way he did. Either way Lewis totally dominated him in the rematch.

[JAB5239]

Yeah, it's hilarious that people like Fat Joe want to say Lewis "destroyed" McCall in the rematch, when Ollie was so strung out he started to melt down on the spot. Fat Joe is heavily invested in promoting one of his heroes, Lewis, and trying to make him look better than he was.

The fact that he destroyed fat Rahman in the rematch doesn't change the fact that the unfocused, lazy, ****** **** got knocked out cold by him in the first place.

Im not making excuses for Lewis. When he lost it was his own fault. Unlike Wlad he choose to avenge those defeats and prove he was the better fighter. He didn't need big brother to stick up for him. And if McCall was so "strung out" than how did he pass the drug test?

[Barry Halls]

Im not making excuses for Lewis. When he lost it was his own fault. Unlike Wlad he choose to avenge those defeats and prove he was the better fighter. He didn't need big brother to stick up for him. And if McCall was so "strung out" than how did he pass the drug test?

do you have any source on wladimir not wanting to fight sanders or puritty again?
Or are you taking it as if he didn't fight them, he didn't want to? That could be applied to a lot of fighters.