The Klitshckos and Today's Heavyweight Division

[!! Mr. Soprano]

All you have to do is watch. No one today can even slip a jab or work the body. They have no variety in their skillset. The 90s were far from a great golden era of heavyweights, but even the lesser contenders that the best heavyweights beat easily had fights where they displayed skills and stamina many of the best fighters today do not.

You say "nostalgiatards" don't come up with good arguments, when Klitschkos nuthuggers just say "he was small" and "athletes are better now" without ever making arguments yourself defending just how unskilled heavyweights today are. We're not talking about the Klitschkos or saying they have no skill or talent, but their opponents are often horrendous.

Give me your list of Top 10 HW from the 80's and top 10 fromthe 90's please.

[Spray_resistant]

All the Klitschko nuthuggers seem to think that admitting how crap the division is and has been over their reign means we think the Klitschkos suck or are bums as well. That's not what we are saying at all. The Klitschkos are very good, that's why they beat these bums so easily. Their opponents are still bums though, and this is still the one of if not the worst era of heavyweights ever. It's far worse than the 80s or 90s.

Confusing the Klitschkos' dominance as some type of proof of them being top 10 heavyweights all time is ridiculous.

Isn't that what everyone says during every era really until its looked back upon later?

Its pretty much the same as most eras where there are just a couple of really good guys at the top and some decent fighters at the distant 2nd tier level.

Sometimes it gets pretty annoying when ppl make claims about how bad this era supposedly is and act like prime Ray Mercer would be HW kingpin today.

[fcastro1]

People are b-i-t-c-h-i-n-g that the HW division sucks! Does it, or are the Klitschko's just so superior to make everyone else look like bums?

What would the division be like without the Klitschkos? I do see some exciting fights.

Think about this.. is it that much different than it was 10-15 years ago?

Arreola, Peter, Brewster, Chambers, Chagaev, Povetkin, same JC Gomez, now Haye, up and coming Boytsov & Helenius.

Are these guys any worse than Rahman, Francois Botha, Michael Grant, Golota, Shannon Briggs, Chris Byrd, Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, etc? Probably NOT!

The thing is that the Klitschkos are just too superior that make any of the opposition look like crap... They (mostly Wlad) have really cleaned up anyone on their way... much like Lewis did during his time... the only difference is that Wlad lacks that excitement that most American spectators complain about...

Is it his fault that they are so superior that there is no real danger and his fights are usually a one-sided beating?

Wlad would have cleaned up the division 10 years ago, much like he did today... only great matchup would be him against Lewis!

P.S. Those who say Tyson and Holyfield both knock him out, get real, Tyson is 5'10! and certainly was not the same Tyson he was in the 80's. Holyfield - aside from a washed up Tyson, did he even KO anyone in the 90's?

the heavyweught division sucks at the moment. their are no elite heavyweights.

[Davros?]

Wlad struggled badly to land jabs on Haye and couldnt set anything else up, he didnt have anything to find the puzzle to open him up. If you dont belive guys like Bowe and Holyfield were great fighters just watch this, much better than anything i have seen in the past 5 years at heavyweight.

[Welsh Jon]

It's always funny reading these things, all these nostalgiatards always repeat the same **** like a mantra and call the people that don't agree with them, yet they can't come up with a single, solid argument about how the 90s were better than today's fighters

I'm not sure what evidence you want.

Lennox Lewis was at worst on the same level as the Klits, most likely he's better.

I've watched Rid**** Bowe fights, and at his peak he's better than any fighter from the past decade, apart from the Klits.

I've watched Evander Holyfield's fights and in the 90's he was better than any fighter from the past decade, apart from (maybe) the Klits.

I've watched Mike Tyson, and in the 90's he was better than any better fighter from the past decade, apart from the Klits. Maybe Haye or Adamek would be on his level (his 90's level not his 80's level).

Chris Byrd was probably Wlad's best opponent, but he was better in the 90's. Same for Hasim Rahman.

Sam Peter is no better than 90's David Tua.

Chaegev and Imbragov would fit nicley into the 90's scene, but were no better than the 90's contenders.

I just can't see how people could see the 90's are inferior!

[Pirao]

I'm not sure what evidence you want.

Lennox Lewis was at worst on the same level as the Klits, most likely he's better.

I've watched Rid**** Bowe fights, and at his peak he's better than any fighter from the past decade, apart from the Klits.

I've watched Evander Holyfield's fights and in the 90's he was better than any fighter from the past decade, apart from (maybe) the Klits.

I've watched Mike Tyson, and in the 90's he was better than any better fighter from the past decade, apart from the Klits. Maybe Haye or Adamek would be on his level (his 90's level not his 80's level).

Chris Byrd was probably Wlad's best opponent, but he was better in the 90's. Same for Hasim Rahman.

Sam Peter is no better than 90's David Tua.

Chaegev and Imbragov would fit nicley into the 90's scene, but were no better than the 90's contenders.

I just can't see how people could see the 90's are inferior!

Man, I'm not saying that the 90's were inferior. Obviously Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox are as good or better than the Klits, they're elite fighters and ATGs!

What we're talking about is the rest of the field, say the Tommy Morrison, Mercer, Golota, Bruno, Peter, Chagaev, Ibragimov and the like, and I don't see how the 90s are superior to today, they seem pretty even to me.

[bojangles1987]

Isn't that what everyone says during every era really until its looked back upon later?

Its pretty much the same as most eras where there are just a couple of really good guys at the top and some decent fighters at the distant 2nd tier level.

Sometimes it gets pretty annoying when ppl make claims about how bad this era supposedly is and act like prime Ray Mercer would be HW kingpin today.

AGAIN, most of us say nothing like Ray Mercer would be HW kingpin today. Anyone who does is a blind hater. But fighters from the 80s and 90s were better than fighters the Klitschkos are beating. That doesn't mean they would beat the Klitschkos, but they would sure as hell beat everyone else.

[Spray_resistant]

AGAIN, most of us say nothing like Ray Mercer would be HW kingpin today. Anyone who does is a blind hater. But fighters from the 80s and 90s were better than fighters the Klitschkos are beating. That doesn't mean they would beat the Klitschkos, but they would sure as hell beat everyone else.

Well the top fighters were which is why they were top fighters but the other contenders, not really in my estimation. I doubt Tommy Morrison would be just demolishing Chambers, Chagaev, and Haye.

[sunny31]

Wlad struggled badly to land jabs on Haye and couldnt set anything else up, he didnt have anything to find the puzzle to open him up. If you dont belive guys like Bowe and Holyfield were great fighters just watch this, much better than anything i have seen in the past 5 years at heavyweight.

Now that is heavyweight boxing...all round fighters. No holding wrestling bull****. Wlad would never have got away with that against these guts they are both strong as bulls, he would have had to go to the trenches like vitali did against lennox, could he survive in a fight like that? I doubt it

[-Johannes-]

It's a conbination of both. The Klitshcko brothers are far superior than the rest of the bums in the HW. Not taking anything away from the brothers at all. I think they would be tough competition in any HW era.