The Klitshckos and Today's Heavyweight Division

[JAB5239]

Wasn't the point of this thread that the 90's boxers were no better than the 2000's boxer? Wasn't the implication that Wlad would have dominated the 1990's like he's dominating currently? The fact that there were more elite fighters in that decade, immediately suggests those contentions are wrong.

To get to the top in the 1990's Evander Holyfield had to fight those 7 elite level fights I earlier talked about. It doesn't really matter whether Lamon Brewster is better than Michael Moorer, or if David Haye is better than Ray Mercer, if Adamek is better than Golota, or Peter is better than Tua. I'm sure Wlad beats most of the fighters of the 1990's as easily as he beat the guys in his own era. But to be the dominate force in the 1990's he would have had to fights against Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe and Tyson, and even if you believe he beats all those guys (I don't) he doesn't beat them as easily as he beats the guys already on his resume.

Therefore it is blindingly obvious that the 1990's heavyweight division was better than the 2000's, and Wlad would not dominate that generation like he does today.

Very good post, Jon!!

[!! Mr. Soprano]

I never concurred on the fact that the 90's contenders are so much better than of our era. What I said was that the fights were more exciting

[Welsh Jon]

I never concurred on the fact that the 90's contenders are so much better than of our era. What I said was that the fights were more exciting

Yep I know, you seem to believe Wladimir's fights in the past decade were harder than those faced by the champions of the 1990's.

I'm saying you are wrong. I have argued why I believe it was harder in the 1990's, no one has put forward a valid arguement for why I might by mis-informed.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Yep I know, you seem to believe Wladimir's fights in the past decade were harder than those faced by the champions of the 1990's.

I'm saying you are wrong. I have argued why I believe it was harder in the 1990's, no one has put forward a valid arguement for why I might by mis-informed.

Because no one seems to understand what you're talking about... do you even know what you're talking about? You may think one thing but unable to formulate your thoughts that it's clear to all.. Not only that, you seem to be mislead by other posts that you read, unable to capture the meaning..

I think I know what the problem is... There is a disconnect between the chair and the keyboard.


As for my thread.. once again, the point was that today's HW's are not any worse than they were 10-15 years ago... people say that the division sucks, but I think it's because the Klitschkos are just so superior, they make everyone else look like garbage.

And you're start talking about the depth of the division, quality of fights, etc.. WTF are you talking about? Re-read the posts

[Welsh Jon]

Because no one seems to understand what you're talking about... do you even know what you're talking about? You may think one thing but unable to formulate your thoughts that it's clear to all.. Not only that, you seem to be mislead by other posts that you read, unable to capture the meaning..

I think I know what the problem is... There is a disconnect between the chair and the keyboard.


As for my thread.. once again, the point was that today's HW's are not any worse than they were 10-15 years ago... people say that the division sucks, but I think it's because the Klitschkos are just so superior, they make everyone else look like garbage.

And you're start talking about the depth of the division, quality of fights, etc.. WTF are you talking about? Re-read the posts

Mate it seems like your the one struggling to follow. Don't patronise me cos your confused.

I understand the point you've made

My point, which I seem to have repeated several times without your comprehension, is that the heavyweight division of the 1990's was more competitive than the heavyweight division of the past decade.

To stay at the top of his division Holyfield had to fight 3 fights against Bowe, 2 against Tyson and 2 against Lewis.

Those 7 fights alone are harder than any fights fought by Wlad, by quite a distance.

Therefore Wlad's current dominance is not simply down to the fact that he makes his opponents look like garbage, it is at least partly down to the fact that he's faced inferior opposition than the top fighters in the previous generation had to face.

I never once commented on the quality of the fights from the 90's, as you seem to have gotten from somewhere, I just said the fights were harder than the one's faced by Wlad in the 2000's.

I also never once said Wlad wouldn't be up to the challenges of the 1990's, just that they would be harder than the challenges of the 2000's.

Do you understand WTF I'm going on about now?