With A Different Trainer, Haye Beats Wlad

[FrankieBruno]

People on here are ****** going overboard with the ****ting on Haye..

He was trying to get Wlad to open up a bit.. even dropping his hands down at stages.. his head movement and defence was pretty damn good, Wlad won rounds but not by a landslide. The thing is Wlad fought perfect he didn't get mad at Haye's antics stuck behind the jab and boxed well with his physical advantages.

As soon as it was Clear Wlad was not going to come out of that defensive gameplan haye should have gone more agressive like in round 12. It was very hard for him to land the 1.. 2 because he had to reach to get that first punch and then Wlad would move back or hold if Haye came in.

Haye obviously did something right.. though most people thought he would get KTFO like all the other guys do and that he had a weak chin and **** defence (they used the Ruiz fight to say this)

Totally agree

the man tried to set traps all night long, however Wlad did not give him anything, didnt bite the bait. Haye and his camp thought (from all the press conferences) that Wlad would come in all guns blazing looking for a TKO, but he didnt, give him no body shots, no uppercuts, no left hooks....Haye hd nothing to work with and all credit to Wlad, he played it safe for a points win....Haye had no plan B, he should have changed tatics by round 5-6 and started taking more risks, body shots and charging in, letting Wlad throw that right and countering like he did in round 12...

[MindBat]

People on here are ****** going overboard with the ****ting on Haye..

He was trying to get Wlad to open up a bit.. even dropping his hands down at stages.. his head movement and defence was pretty damn good, Wlad won rounds but not by a landslide. The thing is Wlad fought perfect he didn't get mad at Haye's antics stuck behind the jab and boxed well with his physical advantages.

As soon as it was Clear Wlad was not going to come out of that defensive gameplan haye should have gone more agressive like in round 12. It was very hard for him to land the 1.. 2 because he had to reach to get that first punch and then Wlad would move back or hold if Haye came in.

Haye obviously did something right.. though most people thought he would get KTFO like all the other guys do and that he had a weak chin and **** defence (they used the Ruiz fight to say this)

You were watching the same fight I saw.

[MindBat]

the trainer can't fight for you..in this case there is no magical solution for haye to beat any of the klitschko brothers...they can have plan a.b.c.d etc.. but the truth is a good big man is always gonna beat a good small man..and haye is not a true HW fighter..he should stick to the cruiser weight division..i know that aroela and adamek would beat him too.

The Klit Bros can be beaten. A fighter with the right mentality (Ali) can go in there and frustrate either one and come out victorious. But I respect your opinion.

[UglyPug]

I re-watched the fight and saw a few things Haye should have done but didn't.

I'm only going to say if Haye trains under Mayweather Sr. he beats Wlad in a rematch.

Just going by what I saw.

No way. . . Haye never beats Wladimir. . . And Adam Booth is a large part of the reason Haye managed to make it to the point to get a fight with Wladimir. Haye gets violently knocked out under any of trainer.

[Walt Liquor]

I think it was much more to do with Wlad's physical size and the length and quality of his jab.. For Haye to land 1 punch was hard.. to land 2 consecutively was almost impossible as Wlad would back up very quickly or hold

There are other big fighters, those guys arent wlad.

[Walt Liquor]

I find it odd that i dont recall any similar threads after previous haye fights. Are you people saying haye somehow looked different that he has in past fight? Cuz i dont. That's how he fights. He's not gonna take the necessary risks to break down one of the klits.

Seriously, you're fools to think that when haye has NEVER fought the way you have to to beat the klits. Wlad nullifys haye's only advantages. Everyone acts like haye is some virtuoso type boxer with otherworldly power. He's not, he's fast but he throws no combos, headhunts, doesnt set guys up, and just rushes in.

[Walt Liquor]

The Klit Bros can be beaten. A fighter with the right mentality (Ali) can go in there and frustrate either one and come out victorious. But I respect your opinion.

So you think another trainer will change haye's mentality? Or do you just wamt haye so badly to win that you're grasping for straws.

[PD21]

Its been known for a long long time that Wlad is very very quick for a guy his size. haye obviously went in there thinking he could counter everything wlad launched at him, whereas in practice wlads hand and foot speed nulified everyhing Haye done for the 12 rounds.

Hayes gameplan was all wrong, he should have been a more aggressive counter puncher and go foward to make Wlad miss whilst countering with hard shots whilst wlad is on the retreat. Haye should have never given up the center of the ring to wlad and let wlad dictate the speed and positioning of the fight.

All in all the better fighter won.

His gameplan looked wrong but we have to consider what else he was capable of.

Barry Mguigan was smug post fight saying that all along he said what Haye had to do to win the fight - He couldnt stand off wvlad, he needed to stand with him to catch his jab and go forward. Its all very well with hindsight but is Haye really capable of doing that? It sounds like suicidal tactics for a former cruiserweight to stand his ground with Wvlad and go forward.

Haye fought to the best of his abilities with speed and refelexes and it wasnt enough. Yes he should have switched styles and tried summat different but whats the point in having the edge in speed if he is going to stand right infront of Wvlad and not move. He had to fight to his advantages and even with that Wvlad was just too good.

I'll make the point that others have made which is alot of money went on Wvlad to KO Haye but he never came close. Therefore Haye must have been doing something right tactically to be able to avoid the same fate as 49 other KO victims.

[Walt Liquor]

His gameplan looked wrong but we have to consider what else he was capable of.

Barry Mguigan was smug post fight saying that all along he said what Haye had to do to win the fight - He couldnt stand off wvlad, he needed to stand with him to catch his jab and go forward. Its all very well with hindsight but is Haye really capable of doing that? It sounds like suicidal tactics for a former cruiserweight to stand his ground with Wvlad and go forward.

Haye fought to the best of his abilities with speed and refelexes and it wasnt enough. Yes he should have switched styles and tried summat different but whats the point in having the edge in speed if he is going to stand right infront of Wvlad and not move. He had to fight to his advantages and even with that Wvlad was just too good.

I'll make the point that others have made which is alot of money went on Wvlad to KO Haye but he never came close. Therefore Haye must have been doing something right tactically to be able to avoid the same fate as 49 other KO victims.

so avoiding ko means he did better than everyone else? sultan avoided ko, how was that fight?

people who put wlad in danger and actually kd him or make him work>>>>>> guys who just try and avoid the ko, because you will NEVER beat him that way.

c'mon man, that's just pathetic.

[Davros?]

I think the two best ways to try and beat Wlad are either to turn him out at range not allowing him to set his feet so as not being able to throw the jab you can then come in with a quick burst of punches and get out of there. The second would be to not fight at range at all get in close while throwing a double jab and then try and throw uppercuts and body punches before Wlad holds on and while he does hold on just hit and hold get that head into his face to make him uncomfortable then as soon as you break get straight back inside again, it would be ugly fight though. Holyfield did a breakdown of what he would do against Wlad which was interesting.

Haye did his thing like he always does it didn’t work unless he wants to change his whole style he cant do anything different imo except for maybe throwing more jabs.