With A Different Trainer, Haye Beats Wlad

[PD21]

so avoiding ko means he did better than everyone else? sultan avoided ko, how was that fight?

people who put wlad in danger and actually kd him or make him work>>>>>> guys who just try and avoid the ko, because you will NEVER beat him that way.

c'mon man, that's just pathetic.

I didnt say that avoiding the Ko meant he did better?! Do you think it does? If so I disagree.

He was able to avoid the shots that people like your goodself were saying would knock him out because an old Ruiz was able to nail him etc .
I expected Haye to lose on points but didnt think he'd absorb Wvlads power as well as he did. For a "chinny cruiserweight" I think Haye did well to take Wvlads power without being troubled. Its the only real positive you can take away from that display.

[Walt Liquor]

I didnt say that avoiding the Ko meant he did better?! Do you think it does? If so I disagree.

He was able to avoid the shots that people like your goodself were saying would knock him out because an old Ruiz was able to nail him etc .
I expected Haye to lose on points but didnt think he'd absorb Wvlads power as well as he did. For a "chinny cruiserweight" I think Haye did well to take Wvlads power without being troubled. Its the only real positive you can take away from that display.

here is the part that confused me,

I'll make the point that others have made which is alot of money went on Wvlad to KO Haye but he never came close. Therefore Haye must have been doing something right tactically to be able to avoid the same fate as 49 other KO victims.

[Phil Ivey]

He can have 3 of the best trainers with him and he's still not going to win, Wlad is just too big and skillful. You can't just rely on one right hand, it's not Haye's fault either he's a small HW. Every time he comes close Wlad has the ability to clinch him.

A good bigger man will always beat a good smaller man.

[MindBat]

So you think another trainer will change haye's mentality? Or do you just wamt haye so badly to win that you're grasping for straws.

Like I said, Haye could've done a lot better against Wlad. Even you can figure out what Haye did wrong or could've done better. Another top trainer could tweak his mindset and have him perform differently if Booth can't do it.

One thing we do know is that Wlad couldn't knock Haye out as predicted. He lasted as long as he did due to his athleticism.

All I'm saying is if he learned anything from the fight, he'll fix his mistakes and perhaps perform better in the rematch if it ever happens.

Who says he can't perform better? That's what rematches are for, right?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Haye has the skills, talent to beat him. I think most would agree with that.

[MindBat]

Haye has the skills, talent to beat him. I think most would agree with that.

No doubt.....

[No1]

I think it was much more to do with Wlad's physical size and the length and quality of his jab.. For Haye to land 1 punch was hard.. to land 2 consecutively was almost impossible as Wlad would back up very quickly or hold

I agree. People realise wlad is big but when they actually see him up close and feel how strong he is they wimper under the pressure.

Wlads jab was sublime at the weekend. Even though he missed a fair few due to hayes head movement the sheer speed and amount he threw keep haye off balence and unable to mount any serious offence.

[Walt Liquor]

Like I said, Haye could've done a lot better against Wlad. Even you can figure out what Haye did wrong or could've done better. Another top trainer could tweak his mindset and have him perform differently if Booth can't do it.

One thing we do know is that Wlad couldn't knock Haye out as predicted. He lasted as long as he did due to his athleticism.

All I'm saying is if he learned anything from the fight, he'll fix his mistakes and perhaps perform better in the rematch if it ever happens.

Who says he can't perform better? That's what rematches are for, right?

But what we're talking about is a wholesale change in Haye's style, mentality, and disposition as a fighter...a trainer does not change that in one fight.

Plus you didn't say this prior to the fight, you predicted him based on his previous fights, which is THE SAME way he fought against Wlad? seems very reactionary

[intoccabile]

Ehh.....Now Wlad looked quicker and also smaller than usual but it was easy to tell that Haye had more hand speed. Now the issue is why was he intimidated from letting his hands go. It's not like Wlad looked invincible. Haye simply did too much thinking and too little fighting. If I was in his corner I would have simply said "Dont get hit for free" "If you're going to be out then be all the way out" He was able to dodge a lot of punches on quickness and had many chances to counter over Wlad.

In the exchanged where they are both throwing, it's not easy to see haye is faster at all. I should create some gifs of the fight for those unwilling to rewatch a few rounds. Wlad matched hayes speed punch for punch.. and as I said, his speed was consistent and he kept it in the later rounds. So if you argue he wasn't faster than haye in the rounds 1-6. You at least have t oadmit he was faster in tounds 7-12.

Haye is known for doing little cardio work. he has said many times he doesn't run too many miles, feels as though he doesn't need to. Thinks it's a 'myth' that all the road work is needed for a big tank. I think a bit more road work would help him a lot. Would pick his pace up as well.

[ChopperRead]

People on here are ****** going overboard with the ****ting on Haye..He was trying to get Wlad to open up a bit.. even dropping his hands down at stages.. his head movement and defence was pretty damn good, Wlad won rounds but not by a landslide. The thing is Wlad fought perfect he didn't get mad at Haye's antics stuck behind the jab and boxed well with his physical advantages.

As soon as it was Clear Wlad was not going to come out of that defensive gameplan haye should have gone more agressive like in round 12. It was very hard for him to land the 1.. 2 because he had to reach to get that first punch and then Wlad would move back or hold if Haye came in.

Haye obviously did something right.. though most people thought he would get KTFO like all the other guys do and that he had a weak chin and **** defence (they used the Ruiz fight to say this)

And Haye didn't ask for it with two years of trash talk leading to an abysmal failure, eh?