With A Different Trainer, Haye Beats Wlad

[MindBat]

I re-watched the fight and saw a few things Haye should have done but didn't.

I'm only going to say if Haye trains under Mayweather Sr. he beats Wlad in a rematch.

Just going by what I saw.

[intoccabile]

I re-watched the fight and saw a few things Haye should have done but didn't.

I'm only going to say if Haye trains under Mayweather Sr. he beats Wlad in a rematch.

Just going by what I saw.

It isn't a style thing, it's a psychological thing. Haye would still have to fight his fears in there and since coming to heavyweight he's been reluctant to be the aggressor.

He's afraid of the bigger men in there, he feels he needs to fight on the backfoot and land the occasional big punch. Not to mention, his conditioning is horrible. All the skills and training in the world don't mean anything if you can be 'mentally' beaten.

[MindBat]

It isn't a style thing, it's a psychological thing. Haye would still have to fight his fears in there and since coming to heavyweight he's been reluctant to be the aggressor.

He's afraid of the bigger men in there, he feels he needs to fight on the backfoot and land the occasional big punch. Not to mention, his conditioning is horrible. All the skills and training in the world don't mean anything if you can be 'mentally' beaten.

Going 12 rounds takes lots of stamina and endurance, particularly when one is dodging bombs intent on taking one's head off. So I don't agree his conditioning was 'terrible' as you say. He didn't look gassed to me.

He fought what he thought was the best fight, although he acknowledges it wasn't his best performance.

He did fight perhaps too cautious for his own good, which shows he respected Wlad's power.

I feel with a different strategy the outcome may be different next time.

What people are disappointed in is that Wlad wasn't able to knock Haye out as expected.

[Pinoy4ever]

A trainer can't win a fight for it's fighter period.

[studentofthegam]

I re-watched the fight and saw a few things Haye should have done but didn't.

I'm only going to say if Haye trains under Mayweather Sr. he beats Wlad in a rematch.

Just going by what I saw.

I thought the same tihng watching that fight. I just kept wondering why he didnt go to the body and throw hard left hooks to the head. When he landed the rights Wlad took notice and the left would have surprised him. I do think his strategy to stay away on the outside was smart but the problem is that he wouldnt let go on the inside where Wlad has no game whatsoever. I would like to see a rematch soon. It was still better than the last few Klitschko fights.

A trainer can't win a fight for it's fighter period.

A good one can help though. Especially in this situation.

[MindBat]

A trainer can't win a fight for it's fighter period.

True. Then again, fighters would not need a trainer since trainers can't get in there to rescue them.

[intoccabile]

Going 12 rounds takes lots of stamina and endurance, particularly when one is dodging bombs intent on taking one's head off. So I don't agree his conditioning was 'terrible' as you say. He didn't look gassed to me.

He fought what he thought was the best fight, although he acknowledges it wasn't his best performance.

He did fight perhaps too cautious for his own good, which shows he respected Wlad's power.

I feel with a different strategy the outcome may be different next time.

What people are disappointed in is that Wlad wasn't able to knock Haye out as expected.

He showed the sure signs of fatigue. The first signs are the 'desperation' shots. He began getting careless and just winging from way left field. That was a for sure sign of fatigue. Then there was the fluidity in which he'd move. When tired, it's natural you take a few hops in place before moving again. Haye went from moving left and right fluently to putting stutters in his movements. He also began walking, crossing his feet (he was just side stepping prior) and resting on the ropes.

He also began tugging at his trunks and if that wasn't enough, he started having to push himself off his knee in order to stand after flopping. For sure signs of fatigue.. plus the headmovement which began to deteriorate more and more. When the final bell rang, he rested himself on the turnbuckles and panted heavily. He seemed far too happy the fght was over. He was visibly tired, and it's been that way his entire career. His stamina coupled with a few mental demons i think he posesses at the heavyweight division will always be his kryptonite.

[MindBat]

I thought the same tihng watching that fight. I just kept wondering why he didnt go to the body and throw hard left hooks to the head. When he landed the rights Wlad took notice and the left would have surprised him. I do think his strategy to stay away on the outside was smart but the problem is that he wouldnt let go on the inside where Wlad has no game whatsoever. I would like to see a rematch soon. It was still better than the last few Klitschko fights.

Right. And that's only a few things he could've approached differently. Haye relied mostly on his speed, reflexes, and athleticism to get out of harms way.

And I agree. We saw the best Klitchko performance to date.

[MindBat]

He showed the sure signs of fatigue. The first signs are the 'desperation' shots. He began getting careless and just winging from way left field. That was a for sure sign of fatigue. Then there was the fluidity in which he'd move. When tired, it's natural you take a few hops in place before moving again. Haye went from moving left and right fluently to putting stutters in his movements. He also began walking, crossing his feet (he was just side stepping prior) and resting on the ropes.

He also began tugging at his trunks and if that wasn't enough, he started having to push himself off his knee in order to stand after flopping. For sure signs of fatigue.. plus the headmovement which began to deteriorate more and more. When the final bell rang, he rested himself on the turnbuckles and panted heavily. He seemed far too happy the fght was over. He was visibly tired, and it's been that way his entire career. His stamina coupled with a few mental demons i think he posesses at the heavyweight division will always be his kryptonite.

I thought he swung wildly due to a combination of his reach disadvantage, Wlad's footwork, and his concern about getting caught by A Wlad right hand.

If he were really gassed and fatigue, Wlad would've been able to knock him out easily. Don't you think?

[intoccabile]

Also, from rewatching the fight.. when wlad sat down.. his hand speed definitely shined more than hayes. If it isn't even, I'd favor wlads speed more. It also carried late where as haye seemed to slow down dramatically and throw sloppy, loopy punches.

I think that hurt hayes plans a lot as well. It just seemed that Wlad, as teh bigger man, was teh better conditioned and faster of the two. That wasn't to expected. You usually expect the little guy to have the speed advantage and more in the tank. Whatever fitness trainer Wlad or Eman has to keep/get the big guy in shape... he's good.