With A Different Trainer, Haye Beats Wlad

[intoccabile]

I thought he swung wildly due to a combination of his reach disadvantage, Wlad's footwork, and his concern about getting caught by A Wlad right hand.

If he were really gassed and fatigue, Wlad would've been able to knock him out easily. Don't you think?

Not really. he kept his movement going, he survived well. He had always thrown wild from the gate.. but he had a form to it. After a while all form went out the window.. he started falling in with shots and it was all just ugly. It was a big difference. His posture after the final bell was more evidence of that. Wlad continued to breathe out his nose, smiling and what not. Haye walked to the turnbuckle, leaned over to breathe. Raised his arm, couldn't KEEP it raised becausue they were tired.. rested it on the turnbuckle.. and was clearly out of breath while walking around the ring.

I just think he moved well and he survived well. I think Wlad was always cautious of hayes power too, especially a hurt/tired fighters power. Because desperation shots come from anywhere. Wlads fear of haye landing the big shot kept him from trying to put a stamp on the victory IMO.

[Dazzaman]

Also, from rewatching the fight.. when wlad sat down.. his hand speed definitely shined more than hayes. If it isn't even, I'd favor wlads speed more. It also carried late where as haye seemed to slow down dramatically and throw sloppy, loopy punches.

I think that hurt hayes plans a lot as well. It just seemed that Wlad, as teh bigger man, was teh better conditioned and faster of the two. That wasn't to expected. You usually expect the little guy to have the speed advantage and more in the tank. Whatever fitness trainer Wlad or Eman has to keep/get the big guy in shape... he's good.

Agree with your conclusions. I thought Wlad boxed beautifully in the last 4/5 rounds. He, and Haye too, were excellent defensively....both slipping or leaning back from plenty of punches aside from those last few rounds where he connected with some good solid combo's through some consistent (throughout the fight) speed of hand.

[MindBat]

Not really. he kept his movement going, he survived well. He had always thrown wild from the gate.. but he had a form to it. After a while all form went out the window.. he started falling in with shots and it was all just ugly. It was a big difference. His posture after the final bell was more evidence of that. Wlad continued to breathe out his nose, smiling and what not. Haye walked to the turnbuckle, leaned over to breathe. Raised his arm, couldn't KEEP it raised becausue they were tired.. rested it on the turnbuckle.. and was clearly out of breath while walking around the ring.

I just think he moved well and he survived well. I think Wlad was always cautious of hayes power too, especially a hurt/tired fighters power. Because desperation shots come from anywhere. Wlads fear of haye landing the big shot kept him from trying to put a stamp on the victory IMO.

I see what you're saying. I just think with another strategy and trainer he would perform much better. His conditioning can be improved via various factors, one of which is economy of motion which can help preserve energy.

[SLIMY RAT]

People on here are ****** going overboard with the ****ting on Haye..

He was trying to get Wlad to open up a bit.. even dropping his hands down at stages.. his head movement and defence was pretty damn good, Wlad won rounds but not by a landslide. The thing is Wlad fought perfect he didn't get mad at Haye's antics stuck behind the jab and boxed well with his physical advantages.

As soon as it was Clear Wlad was not going to come out of that defensive gameplan haye should have gone more agressive like in round 12. It was very hard for him to land the 1.. 2 because he had to reach to get that first punch and then Wlad would move back or hold if Haye came in.

Haye obviously did something right.. though most people thought he would get KTFO like all the other guys do and that he had a weak chin and **** defence (they used the Ruiz fight to say this)

[studentofthegam]

Also, from rewatching the fight.. when wlad sat down.. his hand speed definitely shined more than hayes. If it isn't even, I'd favor wlads speed more. It also carried late where as haye seemed to slow down dramatically and throw sloppy, loopy punches.

I think that hurt hayes plans a lot as well. It just seemed that Wlad, as teh bigger man, was teh better conditioned and faster of the two. That wasn't to expected. You usually expect the little guy to have the speed advantage and more in the tank. Whatever fitness trainer Wlad or Eman has to keep/get the big guy in shape... he's good.

Ehh.....Now Wlad looked quicker and also smaller than usual but it was easy to tell that Haye had more hand speed. Now the issue is why was he intimidated from letting his hands go. It's not like Wlad looked invincible. Haye simply did too much thinking and too little fighting. If I was in his corner I would have simply said "Dont get hit for free" "If you're going to be out then be all the way out" He was able to dodge a lot of punches on quickness and had many chances to counter over Wlad.

[No1]

Its been known for a long long time that Wlad is very very quick for a guy his size. haye obviously went in there thinking he could counter everything wlad launched at him, whereas in practice wlads hand and foot speed nulified everyhing Haye done for the 12 rounds.

Hayes gameplan was all wrong, he should have been a more aggressive counter puncher and go foward to make Wlad miss whilst countering with hard shots whilst wlad is on the retreat. Haye should have never given up the center of the ring to wlad and let wlad dictate the speed and positioning of the fight.

All in all the better fighter won.

[SLIMY RAT]

Its been known for a long long time that Wlad is very very quick for a guy his size. haye obviously went in there thinking he could counter everything wlad launched at him, whereas in practice wlads hand and foot speed nulified everyhing Haye done for the 12 rounds. Hayes gameplan was all wrong, he should have been a more aggressive counter puncher and go foward to make Wlad miss whilst countering with hard shots whilst wlad is on the retreat. Haye should have never given up the center of the ring to wlad and let wlad dictate the speed and positioning of the fight.

All in all the better fighter won.

I think it was much more to do with Wlad's physical size and the length and quality of his jab.. For Haye to land 1 punch was hard.. to land 2 consecutively was almost impossible as Wlad would back up very quickly or hold

[badass316]

David Haye can have m4's surgically implanted into each arm and it still wouldn't be good enough. Why? Because he still needs the balls to use them. Unless Haye ever grows a pair like the ones dangling from his mouth, he'll never beat Wlad, let alone Vitali. He talked like Tarzan, but ended up fighting like Jane.

[BoZz]

the trainer can't fight for you..in this case there is no magical solution for haye to beat any of the klitschko brothers...they can have plan a.b.c.d etc.. but the truth is a good big man is always gonna beat a good small man..and haye is not a true HW fighter..he should stick to the cruiser weight division..i know that aroela and adamek would beat him too.

[FrankieBruno]

lol@ his conditioning

wtf, You can fault Haye on a lot of things, but he was fit as a fiddle, his speed and reflexes caused problems for Wlad all night long right to round 12....Wlad said he's the fastest opponent he has ever faced, like trying to catch a fish with ur bare hands

Also Wald did land a few rights and most men would drop by them, but Haye was in such great shape that he took them and didnt fall....

The problem was Haye never used his skills to his advantage, his gameplam was not working, he should have changed it midway, but he carried on....i think Booth is to blame for that, because they did not train for a plan b...i.e what happens if Wlad doesnt want to look for a KO

wrong tactics....would a change in trainer help? yes if it's for 3-4 fights, if it's for 1 fight? then no....

Mayweather Sr is built for a Haye type of boxer, because like his son he is a technician, he sets traps...however if Booth wants to stay on, i think they need to get a better strength coach like Ariza, he could be way more powerful from that type of guidance

either way he wil now have to earn his stripes, he is in his prime still and i think he can bounce back to get a fight with vitali next year