Floyd has turned the tables on Manny in their chessmatch

[IMDAZED]

The difference is I started this thread to look at this situation from a public perception/business/macro level while you are just strictly defending floyd's actions. You dont give ideas on what he could have done better, how he can get manny to fight, what he can do in the future (except that he should keep taking good fights).

When i talk to someone who just defends actions of their fighter (or hero in some cases) i know they're fanboys. If i speak with someone who can fairly critique situations and isnt scared to say "so and so should do this, or so and so is my dude but he really shoulda done that", i can see that they are at least objective (and a lot more interesting)

Now obviously floyd's doing just fine for himself and has dough and material things, so he's probably not going to be checking what fools on a forum are saying about him, but if i just wanted to defend a fighter and kiss his a$$ all the time, i'd join their fan club.

Blah, blah, blah. I've given plenty of perspective you just don't have anything to counter it with so now you have to resort to "fanboy" and ass kiss and the sorta stuff STRUGG spits out when he's defenseless. LOL @ what Floyd should do better. He's taken on the best available welterweight in his past two fights, it doesn't get much better than that. And thus, I'm not complaining. Objective? Find a mirror.

[check hook]

Time for some facts:

- Mayweathers last two opponents have been the best available at the time at 147 excluding MP. MP's have not.

- MP refused random blood and urine testing with a 14 day cut-off the only time this fight was ever in any real danger of getting made. Also it was team Mayweather who initiated this negotiation.

- Manny has a list of reasons (see excuses) for not taking OST that is probably longer than Larry's rap sheet, as improbable as that may seem. Floyd has one reason.

[AFighter4U]

Not trying to flame it out in here, just have an adult discussion.

There's so mich to type, so im going to start with my main point.

1) manny had an edge in the beginning because floyd looked scared by forcing ost. Regardless of what fools who cant comprehend the big picture think, this is how the move was percieved and perception is reality. It doesnt take a genius to spin that story.

2) rumors circulate that manny agreed to floyds Demands with a cut off date, but its all heresay because they never made azhuge deal about it or publicly said (manny himself) that they would do anything to get floyd in the ring. This began to make manny look weak imo.

3) he continues to look weak by fighting arum retreads who have no business being in ppv's with manny.

4) floyd swoops in and fights the best ww not named floyd or manny and takes on a young gun who's hungry and badass at 147 while manny fights a
dude floyd shut out that is alreAdy probably fighting one weight class to high at lw. So he's a minimum of 2 weight classes out of his league.

All that adds up to floyd outplaying manny and bob. Bob was content to just take advantage of manny's fans and his reputation while floyd was biding his time and waiting to pull a checkmate type move.

Who the *** is manny gonna fight if he and floyd win? Khan is trained by roach so floyd has him. I guess its gonna have to be bradley who looked as out of place at ww as hatton did to me when he moved up. We know neither floyd nor manny is going to even glance in sergio's direction, so there's no one at 154.

dude. you're looking at things half-empty.

floyd's been saying he wants to fight Pac and fighting Ortiz who's a southpaw give a certain degree of credence to that. Heck, even Manny HIMSELF said so.

one thing boxing has proven is that it isn't predictable. So many things can happen in the next months to come and for all we know those two would actually fight each other.

true, i may be considered overly optimistic, but i'd rather hope for good things in boxing, enjoy the positive surprises and chalk up the horrible fights (pac vs mosley) as something to make us appreciate great fights even more.

[borikua]

I have to admit that I have to side with Floyd. There is no valid reason for not taking the test to make the fight.

[tredh]

nope.....

far from what is really meant......

pbf went over the jmm agreed catch weight, if i am not mistaken at 144, not 147......

the point is the amount $/lb would be a non-issue if no one goes over board the weight agreed at....history does not speak well on pbf following the agreed weight.....

the magnitude of this fight and the millions of money involve are staggering......

let us go over a scenario where everything and more were already in place....with venues set, sponsors tied-in, tickets sold, bets placed etc., etc.......

then one boxer, after so many attempts failed to meet the scales.........

and the fight was off as the other fighter refuse to fight.......what happens then???

do you think the penalty pbf paid for the excess pounds in the jmm bout will cover the damages for the cancelled fight?

then, another point is that the ost would be also a non-issue; as this is not called for by the boxing commissions and also if no one disrespect the other fighter......by making a baseless accusation....and compelling him to prove himself as if this is in the books...

Manny has missed weight twice PBF once so can you agree that neither has a good history of making agreed weight?

Even though I feel neither has issues making weight.

[tangalog2200]

Manny has missed weight twice PBF once so can you agree that neither has a good history of making agreed weight?

Even though I feel neither has issues making weight.

can you state where and when pac twice missed a catch weight?

[Shabba Rank$]

I have to admit that I have to side with Floyd. There is no valid reason for not taking the test to make the fight.

absolutely no reason whatsoever.

[tredh]

can you state where and when pac twice missed a catch weight?

**** does that matter missing weight is missing weight dude. Its actually worse to miss the weight class you fighting in weight than it is to miss a catchweight. You just ****ed up your whole point about Manny is right to ask for 10 mill because 147 you know the Welter Weight limit is not a catchweight. PBF has never missed weight for a real weight class fight.

[METERSF]

I just saved a ton of money switching to geico!!!haha

[tangalog2200]

**** does that matter missing weight is missing weight dude. Its actually worse to miss the weight class you fighting in weight than it is to miss a catchweight. You just ****ed up your whole point about Manny is right to ask for 10 mill because 147 you know the Welter Weight limit is not a catchweight. PBF has never missed weight for a real weight class fight.

"**** does that matter missing weight is missing weight dude. Its actually worse to miss the weight class you fighting in weight than it is to miss a catchweight."

the above is where you missed the entire essence of the posts....

missing a catch weight is not the same as missing the class weight.....

the class weight is what it is....a class weight...a weight already defined by the class or category a boxer is fighting in......

a catch weight is something boxers discuss, agree with and then stipulate in their signed agreement.....

a boxer missing his class weight as he is already outgrowing it needs to go up the weight ladder/class....this happens a lot and there is no shame on this....

but the same could not be said to a boxer who signed an agreed catch weight and comes in loaded, not meeting the agreed weight....this is cheating, plain and simple...