Floyd has turned the tables on Manny in their chessmatch

[Eastbay Giant]

You saying the bold to say what? By KO is not the only way to beat Manny or any fighter. Bradley has enough skills, movement, legs and stamina where even if Manny doesn't respect his power Bradley can still do things where Manny can't just come forward easily and walk him down. Even if that is Bradley height that means he is the same height as Manny. Bradley isn't weak Manny not gonna just push him around the ring. Besides Manny is not a rough house bully type of fighter.

If you don't like the fight cool but talking about the lack of KO's, 1 fight at 147 and height are not reasons why its not a good fight.

Pacquiao has shown us his bone crushing power i.e Margaqrito, and if you don't have enough power to make him respect you, then it's a lost cause. Bradley has no advantage that make me pause and say...yeah he might can get the job done. He can fight like Meldrick Taylor all he wants, and he would also get stopped like Meldrick Taylor only a lot sooner. Bradley has no big punchers on his resume, but he and Pacquiao is a legit fight?

[IMDAZED]

brilliant!

I guess you're too used to arguing with people that have no original thought....

some people come on here to pontificate and develop creative thought..

other come on here and stick with arguing the same point over and over refusing to consider others point of view.

Yes uhh...ok. Anyway, yes that's your idea. He obviously doesn't share your opinion.

[RajahBell]

Credit Mayweather for once again outdoing Pacquiao in opponent selection. Although I think Ortiz needs to fight Maidana again to put all doubts away, he is clearly the best Welterweight outside of Pacquiao. As we know, you're only as good as your last fight in the eyes of the fans. One loss and you're considered a bum but one great win and you're a contender, on top of the world.

When Mayweather defeats Ortiz, the haters will say, "you see we told you Ortiz was a bum", etc. The excuses will pile on, and Manny might get the advantage again in the conversation. However, let the truth be told, Mosley and now Ortiz were the best available opponents for Mayweather before the fight.

[Walt Liquor]

Yes uhh...ok. Anyway, yes that's your idea. He obviously doesn't share your opinion.

The difference is I started this thread to look at this situation from a public perception/business/macro level while you are just strictly defending floyd's actions. You dont give ideas on what he could have done better, how he can get manny to fight, what he can do in the future (except that he should keep taking good fights).

When i talk to someone who just defends actions of their fighter (or hero in some cases) i know they're fanboys. If i speak with someone who can fairly critique situations and isnt scared to say "so and so should do this, or so and so is my dude but he really shoulda done that", i can see that they are at least objective (and a lot more interesting)

Now obviously floyd's doing just fine for himself and has dough and material things, so he's probably not going to be checking what fools on a forum are saying about him, but if i just wanted to defend a fighter and kiss his a$$ all the time, i'd join their fan club.

[tangalog2200]

the commission determines weight penalties as well as test athletes. so its one in the same. if its ok for pac to "override" the commission with something as lubricious as a 10 mil per lbs penalty then something like OST which betters the sport and protects fighters is def something worth "overriding" the commissions control. well their arent being over-stepped at all; OST is just additional more thorough/stricter testing

OST is perfectly justifiable while 10 mil per lb simply is not. theres no way you can spin that, my friend...you just cant

there is a very big difference between:

preventing the same thing from happening again or preventing another commitment of the same offense.........and

demanding something not in the set rules and regulations........

the 10mil/lb is to really discouraged pbf for doing another jmm weight over escapade....

pbf saying pac is not a cheater and pbf failing to submit deposition render the ost issue moot and academic....

[loui_ludwig]

On yesterdays video on fighthype about a press conference, a reporter ask Floyd about the 2nd negotiations. Well, he didn't answer it and refer back to the 1st negotiations.

[The_Demon]

I dont think Floyd will ever be forgiven for denying us one of the biggest fights in boxing history,ye its good that hes fighting someone,but it wont change the fact that he doesnt want too fight manny and that disappoints me

[littlemac]

there is a very big difference between:

preventing the same thing from happening again or preventing another commitment of the same offense.........and

demanding something not in the set rules and regulations........

the 10mil/lb is to really discouraged pbf for doing another jmm weight over escapade....

pbf saying pac is not a cheater and pbf failing to submit deposition render the ost issue moot and academic....

Since when is 10mil weight penalty standard?

When has Floyd ever not made 147.

You say that its only fair for Pac to be able to change the rules because of Floyd's past on going over even thought were not talking about 147. You say well he still broke a rule.

Well why can't you then apply the same logic about Floyd wanting testing because of Manny's trainer being caught training guys with steroids. So preventing the same thing from happening again or preventing another commitment of the same offense (Roach training fighters on steroids. Its ok for Floyd to ask for OST.

Ofcourse you would never say because your just biased against Floyd.

So I guess for you its ok for manny to implement new rules and modify weight classes that carter to him so that he can earn titles while everyone else has to win titles the standard way. But its outrageous for a fighter to simply want a better testing system that would insure both fighters a fair fight.

[Jack Napier]

nothing has changed whatsoever
Pac will be ready after piss drinker
Floyd will find a way out
it's not gonna happen

[tangalog2200]

Since when is 10mil weight penalty standard?

When has Floyd ever not made 147.

You say that its only fair for Pac to be able to change the rules because of Floyd's past on going over even thought were not talking about 147. You say well he still broke a rule.

Well why can't you then apply the same logic about Floyd wanting testing because of Manny's trainer being caught training guys with steroids. So preventing the same thing from happening again or preventing another commitment of the same offense (Roach training fighters on steroids. Its ok for Floyd to ask for OST.

Ofcourse you would never say because your just biased against Floyd.

So I guess for you its ok for manny to implement new rules and modify weight classes that carter to him so that he can earn titles while everyone else has to win titles the standard way. But its outrageous for a fighter to simply want a better testing system that would insure both fighters a fair fight.

nope.....

far from what is really meant......

pbf went over the jmm agreed catch weight, if i am not mistaken at 144, not 147......

the point is the amount $/lb would be a non-issue if no one goes over board the weight agreed at....history does not speak well on pbf following the agreed weight.....

the magnitude of this fight and the millions of money involve are staggering......

let us go over a scenario where everything and more were already in place....with venues set, sponsors tied-in, tickets sold, bets placed etc., etc.......

then one boxer, after so many attempts failed to meet the scales.........

and the fight was off as the other fighter refuse to fight.......what happens then???

do you think the penalty pbf paid for the excess pounds in the jmm bout will cover the damages for the cancelled fight?

then, another point is that the ost would be also a non-issue; as this is not called for by the boxing commissions and also if no one disrespect the other fighter......by making a baseless accusation....and compelling him to prove himself as if this is in the books...