Floyd has turned the tables on Manny in their chessmatch

[Walt Liquor]

well, that's your point of view....i disagree with it but respect it as you have a different vantage point...

the pac case is now hanging in the air....a likely one-sided victory for pac.....owing to pbf's failure to submit a deposition....

when the court hands down pbf a loss verdict pbf's stock in the public eye will be at its lowest....

except for the money windfall, pac does not need to fight pbf or any other upcoming fighter...as pac's legacy, even granting he loses a fight or two...could not be taken away from him.....it is already cemented in boxing history...
when pac retires pbf will be left hanging with a badly tarnished reputation as one who ducked a fight solely on a baseless fear that his opponents are drug enhanced...something he was given the venue and opportunity to prove.....but one where he chickened out

As of right now, pac is certainly higher on atg lists than floyd right now, so that's true. He wont drop in his greatness, but he has a chance to get within everyone's top 25 atg with a floyd win and something like a bradley win

[sweetpea87]

I gave up on this fight last year. I want to see it more than any other fight, but I am convinced it will never happen. We all lose as boxing fans on this one.

[Phil Ivey]

1. But his 1 fight with an unproven Berto means he's a great welter? 140 was wrong for him because there's actual decent talent at that weight class.

2. Bradley is a very good technical boxer. He does everything well, even if he's not great at one particular aspect of the game but he can do it all- slipping, countering, head movement (even if it's at his opponent's face ), good footwork, speed, stamina, heart. Only thing you can say he is lacking is real concussive KO power.

3. Did you not see Ortiz-Maidana?

4. See #3 and Ortiz-Peterson.

5. Maybe, but you didn't explain to me how Ortiz has shown he's better than either Bradley or Khan.

6. I disagree wholeheartedly but I expect all the major players at 140 to be welters in the next year or so, maybe your little theory will be tested soon.

Take it easy champ

Err have you not seen Ortiz's frame? If you know anything about boxing you'd know draining yourself to make weight impacts your performances and the ability to take punches severely... Roach has been telling Ortiz for years to move up to 147 ever since he started sparring Pac when he was preparing for the Diaz fight.

[tangalog2200]

As of right now, pac is certainly higher on atg lists than floyd right now, so that's true. He wont drop in his greatness, but he has a chance to get within everyone's top 25 atg with a floyd win and something like a bradley win

you are right...

pac vs pbf and pac vs other fine boxers/fighters will be good for boxing...

regardless of who wins...a very good fight always have the fans and boxing itself as the winners

i do hope these match-ups happen

[Pacquiao'd]

As of right now, pac is certainly higher on atg lists than floyd right now, so that's true. He wont drop in his greatness, but he has a chance to get within everyone's top 25 atg with a floyd win and something like a bradley win

a bradley win helps put pac in the top 25? bwahahaha

[Carpe Diem]

So wait we knock Floyd because he doesnt feel comfortable about fighting a guy he suspects is roiding with no tests?


Yet we cant knock the guy who doesnt want to be tested?

It's ridiculous, man. You have guys on here who says they aren't trying to choosing sides, but when you look at some of their comments, they're doing just that. If you believe it was Floyd's fault of why the fight didn't/hasn't happened and the OST request was a ***** move, then fair enough. But why put the blame on Floyd just because Manny has only agreed halfway, compared to how mostly every other active Boxers has stated about how they would fully commit to taking it all the way if they were to?

Apparently, the request was only outrageous because Manny didn't/hasn't agreed to it fully. As you said, it's no different than what Manny's team requested about the weight penalty. They used it to made sure Floyd wouldn't do what he did against JMM, and it was a reasonable demand when you looked at it from an unbiased standpoint because Floyd could've had easily not accepted it, but he did. Either put the blames on both of them or don't pretend to not choosing sides when your posts clearly tells a different story.

[Walt Liquor]

a bradley win helps put pac in the top 25? bwahahaha

Coupled with a floyd win dumbass, learn to ***n read fayg. Gtfo my thread, no ****s allowed.

[Walt Liquor]

It's ridiculous, man. You have guys on here who says they aren't trying to choosing sides, but when you look at some of their comments, they're doing just that. If you believe it was Floyd's fault of why the fight didn't/hasn't happened and the OST request was a ***** move, then fair enough. But why put the blame on Floyd just because Manny has only agreed halfway, compared to how mostly every other active Boxers has stated about how they would fully commit to taking it all the way if they were to?

Apparently, the request was only outrageous because Manny didn't/hasn't agreed to it fully. As you said, it's no different than what Manny's team requested about the weight penalty. They used it to made sure Floyd wouldn't do what he did against JMM, and it was a reasonable demand when you looked at it from an unbiased standpoint because Floyd could've had easily not
accepted it, but he did. Either put the blames on both of them or don't pretend to not choosing sides when your posts clearly tells a different story.

Except that i completely destroyed burner's point that you address in the second paragraph in this thread.

[Pacquiao'd]

Coupled with a floyd win dumbass, learn to ***n read fayg. Gtfo my thread, no ****s allowed.

i read it you dumbass...like hell it does

[Walt Liquor]

i read it you dumbass...like hell it does

Wow, you really are ******, or else you wouldnt put yourself out there like that. Read it again you mr. 100 on the english part of your SAT's.