Floyd has turned the tables on Manny in their chessmatch

[ThePrince]

well,

1. it looks like 140 was wrong for ortiz.
2. what does bradley do to trouble pac or floyd? pressure? i cant think of anything.
3. Did you not see kahns last outing?
4. Devon has shown to be quite a bit overhyped
5. triangle theories dont work.
6. Yes i believe Ortiz would handle both Kahn and Bradley

1. But his 1 fight with an unproven Berto means he's a great welter? 140 was wrong for him because there's actual decent talent at that weight class.

2. Bradley is a very good technical boxer. He does everything well, even if he's not great at one particular aspect of the game but he can do it all- slipping, countering, head movement (even if it's at his opponent's face ), good footwork, speed, stamina, heart. Only thing you can say he is lacking is real concussive KO power.

3. Did you not see Ortiz-Maidana?

4. See #3 and Ortiz-Peterson.

5. Maybe, but you didn't explain to me how Ortiz has shown he's better than either Bradley or Khan.

6. I disagree wholeheartedly but I expect all the major players at 140 to be welters in the next year or so, maybe your little theory will be tested soon.

Take it easy champ

[Carpe Diem]

Walt I'm not trying to take sides because I'm not a personal fan of either fighter but let me ask you a simple question.

Let's say me and you are 1 on 1 street basketball players, we are the best in Miami (I know it's a fantasy white guy and Mexican guy good at basketball)

We travel around Broward and Dade and we play for money. Everyone wants to see me and you play because we are the best of the best down here. Everytime we play, there are basic rules that we follow that don't change.

Then we finally agree on playing and then out of nowhere, I accuse you of being a cheater, I want to play with a different type of ball and in a completely different court that nobody has played before.

We are BOTH huge stars on the street so everyone says we should be 50/50 in everything, yet I am acting like I run the show and start to demand things that have never been demanded.

You have a choice, you can either meet my demands and play me or you can choose not play me saying that you don't have to be forced to agree to anything that has never been agreed to before.

See, I agree I would just like to see Manny take the test but another part of me understands why Roach and Manny are like "*** you Floyd, who the *** do you think you are that you think you can come and force us to do **** that nobody has ever done" I think it's a matter of pride and fighters and trainers have a lot of it.

Come on, man. If you're going to nitpick about Floyd's only demand, then why not nitpick about Manny's outrageous never been asked before, 10 million dollars weight penalty as well? Unless of course, you're just trying to save face. Just be fair, man.

I don't tried to denied what Manny said about accepting the random Blood and urine test even in between rounds. Some Floyd fans and Floyd fanboys tries to overlooked that statement, but that's what choosing side is all about. Did Manny given that statement showed that he wanted the fight? Absolutely. But it still didn't proved anything up to this point because he hasn't confirmed his statement as Mosley and Ortiz has.

[tangalog2200]

Not trying to flame it out in here, just have an adult discussion.

There's so mich to type, so im going to start with my main point.

1) manny had an edge in the beginning because floyd looked scared by forcing ost. Regardless of what fools who cant comprehend the big picture think, this is how the move was percieved and perception is reality. It doesnt take a genius to spin that story.

2) rumors circulate that manny agreed to floyds Demands with a cut off date, but its all heresay because they never made azhuge deal about it or publicly said (manny himself) that they would do anything to get floyd in the ring. This began to make manny look weak imo.

3) he continues to look weak by fighting arum retreads who have no business being in ppv's with manny.

4) floyd swoops in and fights the best ww not named floyd or manny and takes on a young gun who's hungry and badass at 147 while manny fights a
dude floyd shut out that is alreAdy probably fighting one weight class to high at lw. So he's a minimum of 2 weight classes out of his league.

All that adds up to floyd outplaying manny and bob. Bob was content to just take advantage of manny's fans and his reputation while floyd was biding his time and waiting to pull a checkmate type move.

Who the *** is manny gonna fight if he and floyd win? Khan is trained by roach so floyd has him. I guess its gonna have to be bradley who looked as out of place at ww as hatton did to me when he moved up. We know neither floyd nor manny is going to even glance in sergio's direction, so there's no one at 154.

well, that's your point of view....i disagree with it but respect it as you have a different vantage point...

the pac case is now hanging in the air....a likely one-sided victory for pac.....owing to pbf's failure to submit a deposition....

when the court hands down pbf a loss verdict pbf's stock in the public eye will be at its lowest....

except for the money windfall, pac does not need to fight pbf or any other upcoming fighter...as pac's legacy, even granting he loses a fight or two...could not be taken away from him.....it is already cemented in boxing history...

when pac retires pbf will be left hanging with a badly tarnished reputation as one who ducked a fight solely on a baseless fear that his opponents are drug enhanced...something he was given the venue and opportunity to prove.....but one where he chickened out

[Pacquiao'd]

1. But his 1 fight with an unproven Berto means he's a great welter? 140 was wrong for him because there's actual decent talent at that weight class.

2. Bradley is a very good technical boxer. He does everything well, even if he's not great at one particular aspect of the game but he can do it all- slipping, countering, head movement (even if it's at his opponent's face ), good footwork, speed, stamina, heart. Only thing you can say he is lacking is real concussive KO power.

3. Did you not see Ortiz-Maidana?

4. See #3 and Ortiz-Peterson.

5. Maybe, but you didn't explain to me how Ortiz has shown he's better than either Bradley or Khan.

6. I disagree wholeheartedly but I expect all the major players at 140 to be welters in the next year or so, maybe your little theory will be tested soon.

Take it easy champ

1. i didnt say he was a great ww

2. hes not good enough to trouble floyd or pac nor present a threat like Ortiz does even though hes better technical boxer than ortiz.

3. yes i saw the Maidana fight, and?

4. what does Peterson hav to do with Kahn fighting Ortiz. i dont see kahn beating ortiz

5. i didnt say he was better than them. what i said was that he presents more of a threat to floyd and pac than those two.

6. I agree. hopefully floyd doesnt break Ortiz's confidence too badly in this fight. thats the only thing i dont like about this fight taking place so soon. i want to see ortiz mature more as a fighter, gaining more confidence but its still a legit fight and he posses a threat to floyd. do i think he will win? NO. but do i think he could pull an upset? SURE. will it happen? NOPE

[ThePrince]

Come on, man. If you're going to nitpick about Floyd's only demand, then why not nitpick about Manny's outrageous never been asked before, 10 million dollars weight penalty as well? Unless of course, you're just trying to save face.

Weight penalties aren't anything new in Boxing, OST is. Mayweather-Marquez had a weight penalty ($300K/lb) in a fight where Floyd was guaranteed $10 mil. Pacquiao-Marquez has a weight penalty ($1 mil/lb). Pacquiao-Floyd would be the most lucrative fight in history, would make sense for the weight penalty to be consistent and conmesurate with the money on the line.

Plus, Floyd already proved himself to be a cheater on the scales against Marquez so a weight penalty was at least justifiable. Pac had/has no links to PEDs whatsoever outside of tales spun by Floyd and his family.

Just sayin'

[Pacquiao'd]

Come on, man. If you're going to nitpick about Floyd's only demand, then why not nitpick about Manny's outrageous never been asked before, 10 million dollars weight penalty as well? Unless of course, you're just trying to save face. Just be fair, man. I don't tried to denied what Manny said about accepting the random Blood and urine test even in between rounds. Some Floyd fans and Floyd fanboys tries to overlook that statement, but that's what choosing side is all about. Did Manny given that statement showed that he wanted the fight? Absolutely. But it still didn't proved anything up to this point because he hasn't confirmed his statement as Mosley and Ortiz has.

hey man, you cant argue with a *******. they have said, specifically, that OST is unreasonable and makes no sense while 10 mil per lb is perfectly reasonable and sensible.

they have also said that floyd should let the commission do their job(testing) and floyd isnt the commission but is ok for pac to override the commission with his silly 10 mil per lb demand.

[Danny Gunz]

The only thing I find unsettling about the OST tests between Floyd and Manny is the fact that Manny's team was talking about it in the beginning of the negotiations as if it was not a big problem. Then all of a sudden it blew up into an insulting accusation.

I dont think he is on anything I just think Bob wanted him to wait a year or 2 before they fought.

[Canelo Phresh]

time will always prove who was right in these arguments. level headed men are starting to see who was right and who was wrong. i wish the guys defending pac would just say f@ck it im supporting pac because were from the same country because thats obviously all it is.

[Carpe Diem]

Weight penalties aren't anything new in Boxing, OST is. Mayweather-Marquez had a weight penalty ($300K/lb) in a fight where Floyd was guaranteed $10 mil. Pacquiao-Marquez has a weight penalty ($1 mil/lb). Pacquiao-Floyd would be the most lucrative fight in history, would make sense for the weight penalty to be consistent and conmesurate with the money on the line.

Plus, Floyd already proved himself to be a cheater on the scales against Marquez so a weight penalty was at least justifiable. Pac had/has no links to PEDs whatsoever outside of tales spun by Floyd and his family.

Just sayin'

What about when Mike Tyson asked Evander Holyfield to took a blood test? It may not had been the same as OST, but it was almost as similar.

[ThePrince]

1. i didnt say he was a great ww

2. hes not good enough to trouble floyd or pac nor present a threat like Ortiz does even though hes better technical boxer than ortiz.

3. yes i saw the Maidana fight, and?

4. what does Peterson hav to do with Kahn fighting Ortiz. i dont see kahn beating ortiz

5. i didnt say he was better than them. what i said was that he presents more of a threat to floyd and pac than those two.

6. I agree. hopefully floyd doesnt break Ortiz's confidence too badly in this fight. thats the only thing i dont like about this fight taking place so soon. i want to see ortiz mature more as a fighter, gaining more confidence but its still a legit fight and he posses a threat to floyd. do i think he will win? NO. but do i think he could pull an upset? SURE. will it happen? NOPE

Explain how Ortiz presents trouble to either Pac or Floyd but Bradley doesn't. Ortiz is the come forward plodder that Pac loves to fight according to you but the skilled boxer in Bradley, a style that Pac avoids at all costs apparently, would be an easier matchup?

At least try to be consistent