Floyd has turned the tables on Manny in their chessmatch

[IMDAZED]

He's been offered 50 million split by the Arab Emirates....why didn't he take that if it's all about the money?

Did you read what he wrote?!?!?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

then he and his people need to stop saying what an easy fight it is and give some legitimate reasons, not rogers ranting about a side meth

Floyd gave his reasons.

I have a BIG reason. ind me ONE poster who wouldve predicted Pacs historic rise in weight like this. I made a thread like 2 years ago saying that Pac would get hurt and that it was a bad idea and LITERALLY everyone agreed with me. It was like a 25 page thread. Its locked now so I cant bump it.

Then you have Ariza saying he has no idea what he takes.

You have Pac wanting to know when he will be tested.

You have other boxers who will take the tests no problems.

You have him being scared of needles. But is tatted up.

You have Pac who has been in countless wars and is a guy that Manny Steward and Lampley said is on the decline. Mind you this was when he fought JMM a second time.

Now all of a sudden he has a second wind and is KOing and dominating legit WW, JMW and JWW's.

He went from being out on ***** street by Oscar Larios to eating flush Cotto bombs.

If Pac takes the tests we have a fight. Its really that simple.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

It's not only about the money. Hes legitimately suspecting his opponent is cheating, and he is in risk of losing against it.

That 50mill from AE i take with a grain of salt.

Arab Emirate officials went on record to say it was true. My point is, which is it, money or steroids?

Floyd doesn't know what he wants.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Of course floyd suspects Manny of cheating. Otherwise he would have just cashed in on the fight, It's not like he hates money.

Walt please read this post.

[Barry Halls]

Arab Emirate officials went on record to say it was true. My point is, which is it, money or steroids?

Floyd doesn't know what he wants.

He don't want to risk losing against a cheater.

We all know how much floyd loves money. But i think he loves money less than he fears losing.

[IMDAZED]

Arab Emirate officials went on record to say it was true. My point is, which is it, money or steroids?

Floyd doesn't know what he wants.

You're not understanding what he's saying. He's saying that if Floyd didn't suspect Manny, he'd just take the money. But obviously he has his concerns and would rather not do that.

[Walt Liquor]

I agree that this isn't a "for the betterment of boxing crusade" but in the post-BALCO era, every modern athlete is subject to scrutiny. I also disagree that this suddenly became an issue because the Mayweathers said something. Victor Conte has indicated that boxing has some of the highest PED abuse of any american sports. When people start doing amazing things like Pacquiao has, the public has every right to scrutinize him. The whole notion that nobody thought Pac was juicing before the Mayweathers said anything is just minimalist and naive.

Is Pacquiao a PED abuser? I don't know. Is he somehow above scrutiny by the public? Not at all. I think as Americans we have been overexposed to media coverage on designer drugs over the last decade. Especially compared to a place like the Philippines. I really can't think of a logical reason why refusing to take better testing can result in a moral high ground in this day and age of modern sports. Anybody who doesn't want to take a few additional tests that are minimally invasive, looks pretty damn guilty to me.

your problem is that you're using logic.

look, in a perfect world, sure demanding OST should be the right thing to do, and accepting that demand would be the right thing to do...

throw in the gazillion variables and we're no longer looking at a perfect world, so you can use your logical arguments all you want, but logic gets you buried in the real world, hence my thread topic. you guys are in here arguing point #1 in my thread just to try and make excuses for floyd's rep......it's so dumb. point is that he came out of that negotiation looking bad to a large number of people, casual and hardcore fans alike..... fact is it hurt his rep back then and left him open to a ton of criticism. he's made steps since then and has moves that he can make that could change how its percieved long term....

[Walt Liquor]

Of course floyd suspects Manny of cheating. Otherwise he would have just cashed in on the fight, It's not like he hates money.

of course he does, but does that mean he can't beat his ass?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

wrong, a lot of people think that, quite a few in this thread even...and not just the ******ed pac fans either

lol at you thinknig he would want to get out of the shane/ortiz fights.

this right here and dazed's posts let me know that neither of you can comprehend the big picture, just arguing for your boy.

Why would he want to get out of the Pac fight?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

You're not understanding what he's saying. He's saying that if Floyd didn't suspect Manny, he'd just take the money. But obviously he has his concerns and would rather not do that.

I understand fully, I'm just making the point that it's about money and it's about his concerns of PED's, which the last one I don't buy.