Floyd has turned the tables on Manny in their chessmatch

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

My issue with floyd fans using the weight penalty manny requested as an excuse for floyd being allowed to request drug tests is that like you said Floyd never ever came in over 147 when that was the weight contracted.
I saw that request from mannys camp as just an insurance policy in case that 1 in a million shot that floyd did come in overweight occured that they could cash out.

I'm sure Roach and Manny never really thought floyd would come in over the limit but as a way to doubly make sure he didnt, ask for some ridiculous amount of money.

sure it was a crazy request but to me it was just like a "were never gonna get that money but **** it, if he comes overweight and ruins the fight at least we'll get something"

Hey bro you nailed it. Thats the same way I feel about the OST's.

You think Floyd WANTS Pac to fail those tests so he can lose all that cash from the fight being canceled? Heck no.

Floyd knows that Pac is not coming back positive and that he doesnt want him to. Its to DETER and PREVENT Pac from cheating. Not to catch him and kill the fight and his money. Thats what people on this site dont understand.

[The Big Dunn]

I agree, things can change for Floyd but I do disagree about Mosley and Evander, they were very loved it's just that they didn't have the personality that Leonard or Ali did, very few do.

Oscar was loved because he had the skills and personality and that very rarely comes together.

Let me give you another analogy, Floyd is like the prettiest girl at the prom and she knows she's the prettiest. She is constantly telling you she is the prettiest and how all the boys want to dance with her.

She tells you that her dress is the prettiest and the most expensive. She tells you she rode in the nicest limousine and her corset is the best.

After a while, she becomes ugly to you, because no matter how beautiful she really is, it's her attitude that turns people off to her. That's Floyd, the prettiest girl at the prom and all he does is repeat it to you over and over.

Also, you need to understand that perception of a fighter is based on how the avg joe relates to him. Guys like blue collar fighters, because they can relate to them. The like humble guys who prove themselves in the ring and let the writers and fans talk about them.

Floyd runs around flaunting money, thousands of dollars and the avg man doesn't identify with that. Floyd says over and over that legacy, the sport and it's history don't mean ****, what matters is MONEY.

That's why he isn't more liked because truth be told, Mayweather was smarter, with his good looks, smile and ability...he could have been bigger than DLH if he would have played his cards right.

But Chaut Mosley was loved after he beat ODH twice. HE CHEATED TO BEAT HIM!! before that he was a supremely taleneted unknown.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Because there is always a 1st time. Using your logic, the 1st fighter to ask for more weight penalties, which you said in an earlier post happen all the time, should'nt have done it because there was no precedent.

Sorry dude I respect you but I can't get with that.

Look man, I'm not trying to justify it, I'm just trying to tell you why it's perceived the way it is, big difference. There are unwritten rules in boxing like all sports, Floyd stepped out of the norm.

John McEnroe.

Ali, hated in his time now is loved around the world.
Tyson, convicted rapist and clearly short a few bricks...hated during his mid-late career. Was essentially a boxing sideshow. Now look how he has turned his image around.

Actually, Ali was loved by black America, hated by white America. The reason History looks favorably on Ali is because we are now more on the side of justice where as then, bigotry and racism were accepted in the majority of white America.

[Walt Liquor]

I agree that Ortiz is a better fight but let's not be fooled here. Only 2 fights ago Ortiz was a coward and was going to be destroyed by Berto. Now all of a sudden Floyd fans want to make him out to be a prime Chavez.....let's be real here.

The more Floyd talks, the more people don't like him. He does this to himself, with the racist rants, playing the victim and talking about himself in the 3rd person, he's just very likable unless you are like him.

an argument can be made that ortiz was fighting at the wrong wieght, which would cause him to be weak.

you know me, I'm no freakin floyd fan but he'd gain respect by making the fight happen or forcing manny's had to make the fight happen OR by challenging himself more than manny. too bad there's no way either would fight sergio

[IMDAZED]

Hey bro you nailed it. Thats the same way I feel about the OST's.

You think Floyd WANTS Pac to fail those tests so he can lose all that cash from the fight being canceled? Heck no.

Floyd knows that Pac is not coming back positive and that he doesnt want him to. Its to DETER and PREVENT Pac from cheating. Not to catch him and kill the fight and his money. Thats what people on this site dont understand.

They don't want to understand. It's why they go on and on about proving something in court, which wasn't what Floyd wanted in the first place. He wanted them to fight clean. End of story.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Denzel already had won an oscar for Glory.

That was for best supporting actor. I was talking about the big boy award.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

But Chaut Mosley was loved after he beat ODH twice. HE CHEATED TO BEAT HIM!! before that he was a supremely taleneted unknown.

but Mosley never had the charisma to go with it. Once in a generation you get the combination of the two, Ali, Leonard and DLH are the 3 that have done it, nobody else.

[The Big Dunn]

an argument can be made that ortiz was fighting at the wrong wieght, which would cause him to be weak.

you know me, I'm no freakin floyd fan but he'd gain respect by making the fight happen or forcing manny's had to make the fight happen OR by challenging himself more than manny. too bad there's no way either would fight sergio

As soon as the floyd sergio fight was signed it would be Martinez is overated, floyd is only fighting him because he can beat him.

[check hook]

Hey bro you nailed it. Thats the same way I feel about the OST's.

You think Floyd WANTS Pac to fail those tests so he can lose all that cash from the fight being canceled? Heck no.

Floyd knows that Pac is not coming back positive and that he doesnt want him to. Its to DETER and PREVENT Pac from cheating. Not to catch him and kill the fight and his money. Thats what people on this site dont understand.

You're on the money Burner!!!!!

[The Big Dunn]

but Mosley never had the charisma to go with it. Once in a generation you get the combination of the two, Ali, Leonard and DLH are the 3 that have done it, nobody else.

Ali wasn't loved until well after his career. Leonard and ODH were loved because they were Olympic Gold medalists (at a time when boxing mattered) and had their problems hidden by the mainstream media.

If Leonard and ODH fought during the internet era, where evryone knew leonard was a coke head who beat his wife and ODH was a coke head who didn't acknowledge his out of wedlocjk son they wouldn't be as popular IMO>