Comments Thread For: Mayweather Wants Legit Loss, Not Tainted With Steroids

[tomhawq]

more than two years have passed. still no evidence linking pac to peds. yet look at these floydiots. they're still trying to present something that is not there. pac had stated on video that he will submit himself to floyd's demands, "to see if that is really the reason." all floyd has to do is appoint a rep and look into it. take the test, pac! pac says yes! floyd moves the goal post with a $100 million tag.

when are these floydiots going to get it?

[tangalog2200]

The problem is this.....

Do a check on my history, regarding the subject of Pac's OSDT refusal, I have told so many people to grow up its not funny.

There is NO JUSTIFICATION WHATSOEVER that could possibly be deemed as acceptable, for refusing to submit to anti-drug testing.

And I dont feel like telling a 55yo man to grow up.

Come on man, get real.

You will not tell me which one of those 7 ridiculous excuses you believed, so what conclusion should I come to ?

You thought those excuses were all rubbish, just like anyone else who decided to apply some common-sense..... but, you accepted Pac's refusal anyways. That is what I cannot accept.

Since the dirty Olympics, you do not quibble over drug-testing, EVER !!, without being instantly branded a steroid cheat.

Hard luck for Pac, he bought all this on himself.

how come you do not want to answer my simple questions?

sometimes i may be wrong on something that i read or interpret.....but i don't lie....

do you?

and are you an adult? a respectful adult?

i asked you these questions as we could go on and on arguing about boxing, tests etc etc....

but as we could not have a meeting of minds as you question or do not accept positions that were based on laws and rules and the exercise of authority and you cling to what you believe in support of pbf...then so be it....we could agree to disagree...anyway we are supposed to enjoy exchanging ideas here....

but your use of derogatory words in your posts does not speak well of you as an adult

[Narf]

*******s just don't get that. In their minds, its Black vs Yellow, or American vs Filipino, or good vs evil. They are rabid racists who have used their dislike for Floyd as an excuse to make make racially charged tirades and hateful accusations.

Ya man at least us floyd fans dont make no accounts pretendin to be filipino and makin fun of their country and saying they eat dogs and all dat. i totally agree!

[AFighter4U]

What's so disturbing about your advice is how true it is. I have to say though AFighter4U is at least civil. He has completely glossed over my post and used semantics at every turn, but unlike most *******s he is civil. I have to give him that much. I do not seek to persuade AFighter4U. When one has developed an aversion to facts and figures then no one can persuade them.

I just wanted him and anyone reading know that I know that other's know the truth and have resisted being swayed by semantics, smoke and mirrors. Not ever fan buys into the bullcrap. Some fans care more about the sport than any individual boxer. Had Floyd pulled this crap I would be blasting him instead of Pacquiao. *******s just don't get that. In their minds, its Black vs Yellow, or American vs Filipino, or good vs evil. They are rabid racists who have used their dislike for Floyd as an excuse to make make racially charged tirades and hateful accusations.

You mentioned my diplomacy. I purposely argue my points in an honest and cohesive manner to show that facts can be discussed without having to attack an entire people. My words don't have to have the stain of racial hatred in order to be strong and true. However, a person can only take so much and I too have been guilty of firing back with insults as at some points I have had enough.

Boxing is my object of affection, not Floyd. Floyd just happens to represent the best of this generation. And boxing has tried to hype up Pacquiao in the same way they are trying to keep the HW division legitimate. Its shameful, but its up to REAL fans like you, I and some others to spread the word.

That's why I spend time doing what I do, Brother Uppercut.

As far as the link to the article you posted LeadUppercut, that was outstanding.

The evidence presented completely shatters *******'s arguments .. especially concerning Pacquiao's supposed consent to the tests. I have made the same argument on this very board, but not as eloquently.

i'm glad that you appreciate my being civil. it is quite clear we will most likely never see eye to eye regarding this whole floyd/pac issue, so i'll leave it at that since i want to end our exchange in a civil tone.

that said, i really have to compliment your great avi. (even if it isn't, it STILL looks great!) That's doctor doom right? i personally consider him THE most underutilized anti-hero in the Marvel universe. he's got the potential to be an intriguing, complex character, but they tend to use him as the token evil genius.

[Brother Jay]

Ya man at least us floyd fans dont make no accounts pretendin to be filipino and makin fun of their country and saying they eat dogs and all dat. i totally agree!

Let's be honest:

The majority of racist crap coming from Floyd fans has been in response to the foolishness that has come from *******s. Its no excuse, but there is a point when people have had enough and respond in kind.

Americans, Black or White, have no reason to hate on Filipinos. Whites have historically been the ruling class for centuries. Black Americans, after overcoming America's shameful legacy of slavery and Jim Crow, have dominated sports, held every office, and have the most imitated and emulated culture in the world.

Again, there is no excuse for racism. However after enduring attack after attack after attack based on Floyd being either Black or American, has offended and in many ways incited repercussions of the same nature.

Why not attack Floyd based on his professional career? He is after all, only a public figure because of his position in boxing. Making it a racial or national issue served to not only start a flame war, but it also showed the desperation of the Filipino community by and large to be accepted in a sport as if it was life support.

With or without Floyd, boxing has been dominated by Blacks for over 100 years. One Filipino doesn't affect that in the slightest. Same with every major sport in the world with the exception of soccer, hockey and tennis. It would be nothing for Americans to throw Filipinos a bone and say that Pacquiao was the best of this era if it were really true, but it isn't. Strictly going by Manny Pacquiao's record, he hasn't earned that distinction, but has rather been bestowed with petty media titles as Mayweather's heir apparent.

The upcoming fight between Floyd and Manny won't settle anything even if Floyd beats Manny 10 times. Why? Because the ugliness of how *******s really feel has been exposed. I can guarantee that will affect Donaire's fanbase based solely on his ethnicity and the flame war that *******s have started.

Has it accomplished anything? Absolutely not, but *******s don't appear to be articulate or honest. I suspect that when at a loss for words, *******s stooped to the lowest position because they didn't know what else to do. They feel like they were defending some kind of pinoy pride.

And that's the difference.

Criticize Floyd and boxing fans will defend him. 99.9% of us don't know him, will never meet him, and he will not impact most of our personal lives. He's not a role model as most sport figures are NOT role models and should not be role models.

Criticize Manny and *******s will defend him as if someone was burning down a church in the Philippines. *******s, especially Filipino *******s, feel like EVERYTHING Manny Pacquiao is an all or nothing deal. The fans go all out or not at all, which is ridiculous because doing that from the start destroys any chance for objectivity and any further consideration for the facts.

Once that happens to a person, they begin acting like a feral animal with no discipline or education. All reason goes out the window in favor of impulse fueled rage and rashness.

When Nobuhiro Ishida defeated James Kirkland, you didn't see Japanese fans going ape**** and flinging crap everywhere. An Asian fighter beat an African American fighter, but they didn't act like this was the first time that they had ever gotten recognition for something in the history of the world.

I'd like to see all the bullcrap stop, but I know it won't. *******s are relentless if nothing else. The never stop. They're like zombies in horror movies. They don't function coherently and they just keep repeating a single agenda left in their minds: paaac ... eeeeee ... oooowww.

One world. One family. But let's put the really ****** and dishonest people on an island and be done with them.

[LeadUppercut]

What's so disturbing about your advice is how true it is. I have to say though AFighter4U is at least civil. He has completely glossed over my post and used semantics at every turn, but unlike most *******s he is civil. I have to give him that much. I do not seek to persuade AFighter4U. When one has developed an aversion to facts and figures then no one can persuade them.

civil-drivvle, honesty is what counts.

There are two kinds of people.....

People who want the truth, and people who want to win the argument.

*** the professional " arguers ", I am going to spend my time more wisely than that.

I just wanted him and anyone reading know that I know that other's know the truth and have resisted being swayed by semantics, smoke and mirrors. Not ever fan buys into the bullcrap. Some fans care more about the sport than any individual boxer. Had Floyd pulled this crap I would be blasting him instead of Pacquiao. *******s just don't get that. In their minds, its Black vs Yellow, or American vs Filipino, or good vs evil. They are rabid racists who have used their dislike for Floyd as an excuse to make make racially charged tirades and hateful accusations.

You mentioned my diplomacy. I purposely argue my points in an honest and cohesive manner to show that facts can be discussed without having to attack an entire people. My words don't have to have the stain of racial hatred in order to be strong and true. However, a person can only take so much and I too have been guilty of firing back with insults as at some points I have had enough.

Boxing is my object of affection, not Floyd. Floyd just happens to represent the best of this generation. And boxing has tried to hype up Pacquiao in the same way they are trying to keep the HW division legitimate. Its shameful, but its up to REAL fans like you, I and some others to spread the word.

That's why I spend time doing what I do, Brother Uppercut.

As far as the link to the article you posted LeadUppercut, that was outstanding.

The evidence presented completely shatters *******'s arguments .. especially concerning Pacquiao's supposed consent to the tests. I have made the same argument on this very board, but not as eloquently.

Another superb post.

[LeadUppercut]

more than two years have passed. still no evidence linking pac to peds. yet look at these floydiots. they're still trying to present something that is not there. pac had stated on video that he will submit himself to floyd's demands, "to see if that is really the reason." all floyd has to do is appoint a rep and look into it. take the test, pac! pac says yes! floyd moves the goal post with a $100 million tag.

when are these floydiots going to get it?

Pac wont take the test, so that is a real silly argument ya got there kid.

[LeadUppercut]

how come you do not want to answer my simple questions?

sometimes i may be wrong on something that i read or interpret.....but i don't lie....

do you?

and are you an adult? a respectful adult?

i asked you these questions as we could go on and on arguing about boxing, tests etc etc....

but as we could not have a meeting of minds as you question or do not accept positions that were based on laws and rules and the exercise of authority and you cling to what you believe in support of pbf...then so be it....we could agree to disagree...anyway we are supposed to enjoy exchanging ideas here....

but your use of derogatory words in your posts does not speak well of you as an adult

No way, not with dishonest people.

I actually object to sharing the earth with dishonest or unreasonable people.

Point taken, maybe I got carried away, I will pull my head in..... but my approach, or lack of one, does not change the facts.

I have given up debating/discussing issues with dishonest people, that is what 'ignore' is for..... and you are real close "Mr Ignorant".

2+2=4, regardless as to whether you approve or not

So, you can stick with your silly excuses, but it is absurd that you think your "laws and rules and the exercise of authority" over-rule common sense.

FACT: blood tests are completely harmless
FACT: refusal to comply with testing is an absurd reason to kill a fight
FACT: hard luck Pac, you bought it all on yourself

Only children have an argument for not being responsible for their actions and words. Pac refused the tests, and when immediately questioned about it Freddie Roach admitted that some people would find that su****ious, so hard luck for Manny.

Just the same as the catch-weight for Cotto. It is absurd for Manny or his fans to think that the catch-weight should not diminish that achievement.

[LeadUppercut]

One world. One family. But let's put the really ****** and dishonest people on an island and be done with them.

WURD !!

We now agree on absolutely everything

But, props again for your perseverence and diplomacy.

I used to be diplomatic

[John Barron]

Let's be honest:

The majority of racist crap coming from Floyd fans has been in response to the foolishness that has come from *******s. Its no excuse, but there is a point when people have had enough and respond in kind.

Americans, Black or White, have no reason to hate on Filipinos. Whites have historically been the ruling class for centuries. Black Americans, after overcoming America's shameful legacy of slavery and Jim Crow, have dominated sports, held every office, and have the most imitated and emulated culture in the world.

Again, there is no excuse for racism. However after enduring attack after attack after attack based on Floyd being either Black or American, has offended and in many ways incited repercussions of the same nature.

Why not attack Floyd based on his professional career? He is after all, only a public figure because of his position in boxing. Making it a racial or national issue served to not only start a flame war, but it also showed the desperation of the Filipino community by and large to be accepted in a sport as if it was life support.

With or without Floyd, boxing has been dominated by Blacks for over 100 years. One Filipino doesn't affect that in the slightest. Same with every major sport in the world with the exception of soccer, hockey and tennis. It would be nothing for Americans to throw Filipinos a bone and say that Pacquiao was the best of this era if it were really true, but it isn't. Strictly going by Manny Pacquiao's record, he hasn't earned that distinction, but has rather been bestowed with petty media titles as Mayweather's heir apparent.

The upcoming fight between Floyd and Manny won't settle anything even if Floyd beats Manny 10 times. Why? Because the ugliness of how *******s really feel has been exposed. I can guarantee that will affect Donaire's fanbase based solely on his ethnicity and the flame war that *******s have started.

Has it accomplished anything? Absolutely not, but *******s don't appear to be articulate or honest. I suspect that when at a loss for words, *******s stooped to the lowest position because they didn't know what else to do. They feel like they were defending some kind of pinoy pride.

And that's the difference.

Criticize Floyd and boxing fans will defend him. 99.9% of us don't know him, will never meet him, and he will not impact most of our personal lives. He's not a role model as most sport figures are NOT role models and should not be role models.

Criticize Manny and *******s will defend him as if someone was burning down a church in the Philippines. *******s, especially Filipino *******s, feel like EVERYTHING Manny Pacquiao is an all or nothing deal. The fans go all out or not at all, which is ridiculous because doing that from the start destroys any chance for objectivity and any further consideration for the facts.

Once that happens to a person, they begin acting like a feral animal with no discipline or education. All reason goes out the window in favor of impulse fueled rage and rashness.

When Nobuhiro Ishida defeated James Kirkland, you didn't see Japanese fans going ape**** and flinging crap everywhere. An Asian fighter beat an African American fighter, but they didn't act like this was the first time that they had ever gotten recognition for something in the history of the world.

I'd like to see all the bullcrap stop, but I know it won't. *******s are relentless if nothing else. The never stop. They're like zombies in horror movies. They don't function coherently and they just keep repeating a single agenda left in their minds: paaac ... eeeeee ... oooowww.

One world. One family. But let's put the really ****** and dishonest people on an island and be done with them.