Comments Thread For: Mayweather Wants Legit Loss, Not Tainted With Steroids

[LeadUppercut]

well, if you want to be my fan....

i am already 55 years old..........

and i enjoy boxing so much that i would not lie anything about it...for it would take the fun away...

sometimes i may be wrong on something that i read or interpret.....but i don't lie....

do you?

The problem is this.....

Do a check on my history, regarding the subject of Pac's OSDT refusal, I have told so many people to grow up its not funny.

There is NO JUSTIFICATION WHATSOEVER that could possibly be deemed as acceptable, for refusing to submit to anti-drug testing.

And I dont feel like telling a 55yo man to grow up.

Come on man, get real.

You will not tell me which one of those 7 ridiculous excuses you believed, so what conclusion should I come to ?

You thought those excuses were all rubbish, just like anyone else who decided to apply some common-sense..... but, you accepted Pac's refusal anyways. That is what I cannot accept.

Since the dirty Olympics, you do not quibble over drug-testing, EVER !!, without being instantly branded a steroid cheat.

Hard luck for Pac, he bought all this on himself.

[LeadUppercut]

You really losing it, man.
In cases like these, it's best to leave a raving person alone lest he reaches the point of no return.

Tweedledum and Tweedledee, neither of you will tell me which one of those 7 ridiculous excuses you believed, but y'all expect me to accept that Pac is clean anyways

The only reason Team Pacquiao required 7 different excuses, is because none of them were genuine. Manny just went for "volume" and relied upon his haircut and smile

If you cannot tell me which one of those excuses you believed, and you think that I should just "trust" Manny anyways..... then why cant you extend the same courtesy to Mayflower

[AFighter4U]

Manny doesn't really make official statements. A YouTube clip does not qualify as him agreeing to USADA random tests up until the day.

well, he should make official statements and i fault him for not doing so. he already has an official website which is mp8.ph. nonetheless, the fact that his saying that he'd take the tests is recorded is enough for me. but of course its natural for doubters to require he make a press statement or something similar to which i also have no objection.

Inconsistencies in terms of facts are an indication of falsehoods. In business, men deal with THE BOTTOM LINE. And in this instance the bottom line is that all of Pacquiao's demands were met. Not all of Mayweather's demands were met. The fault lies with the party that did not fulfill its obligation. In this case, that party is Team Pacquiao.

inconsistencies of facts MAY be an indication of falsehoods as well as mere mismanagement or lack of communication. As i said before, its up to a person to make his own conclusion. For me, its a matter of lack of communication. For you, it may be falsehoods. i won't opt to debate with you on this simply because this is a matter of opinion and we'd never end.

NOT ALL OF MANNY'S DEMANDS WERE MET. Floyd demanded blood tests with 14 days cutoff at one point, which Manny FOOLISHLY rejected. Manny later made a counter demand of at least seven days, which floyd ALSO FOOLISHLY REJECTED. The fault lies on BOTH parties for not agreeing on all demands when the time mattered.

I have no made no argument to contest that the allegations that suggest individuals in Team Mayweather have made inconsistent statements. However, that is a red herring, as the real issue is about who is responsible for halting the mega fight from being made.

I am glad that you acknowledge the inconsistencies in team mayweather's part. And as i always stated, i blame BOTH teams for halting the mega fight. Manny should have accepted the test in the first place and floyd should have accepted Manny's compromise of seven days which was even better than the compromise of 14 days floyd offered initially.

I agree here, except *******s are more than simply overly zealous.

from what i've seen here in Bscene, MOST posters have a rather balanced opinion of Manny. you could count with one hand those who truly deify Manny and consider him irreproachable. In fact, from what i see here, there are more trolls who hate manny and spend most of the time making countless threads lambasting him and they outnumber the trolls who make threads in favor of him. nonetheless, even IF 90% of Pac fans may be considered fanatic, you shouldn't allow it to affect your opinion of him since he has absolutely no control over the actions of these people.

besides, manny is simply the flavor of the month due to his being active in the sport. once he retires, his fans will shift their favor to other boxers/sports that would catch their fancy. a sportsman having fanatics is as natural as the weather and complaining about them would be just as foolish as complaining about the latest typhoon.

I challenge this statement. When has Floyd ever effortlessly proven to be able to go below 147? In fact, other than Hatton who chased Floyd from 140lbs, Marquez is the only other guy Floyd has fought from a smaller division than the one he was competing in.

floyd has been strictly fighting at welterweight since 2005 with the exception of dela hoya. he is a well-known gym rat and its common knowledge that he keeps in good shape even when not preparing for a fight.

in the weigh-in at the marquez fight, floyd looked in perfect health and it didn't look like taking two pounds from him would have affected him at all. Besides. he had THREE MONTHS to adequately prepare for the fight, all the resources available to him, and he'd been fighting practically all his life, so weight management should be second-nature to him by now. don't tell me that with all those assets available to him, he COULDN'T lose three pounds? you honestly think he and his team are THAT INCOMPETENT?

The weight demand wasn't the issue. The excessive $10 million per lb price tag was the absurd aspect of the demand. Yet Floyd met the demand and fulfilled his obligation!

there is nothing surprising about floyd accepting to fight at welterweight since he's been fighting at that weight for over half a decade now. the way i see it, team pac simply wanted to be assured that floyd wouldn't cheat them at the weight. if you think the amount is absurd, then its up to you. But floyd already had shown an utter lack of appreciation in the value of keeping one's word and team pac simply wanted adequate insurance against it.

I don't see how this last point makes any sense: "Pac's $10million/lb "

my bad. slip of the keyboard. should have put those two points separately.

How does that make any sense? Are you aware of all the ways that exist to dope? I don't think so. I don't think that even Victor Conte is aware of every way to dope. New innovations are created everyday. So to speculate that only HGH cannot be detected is foolish.

i am not knowledgeable in all forms of doping available. what i AM aware of is that the blood tests floyd is demanding is used to detect PEDS and HGH, since urine tests are already sufficient to detect PEDS. And its already proven that you CANNOT GET NOTICEABLE BENEFITS TAKING HGH FOR JUST A WEEK. the problem with folks is they assume blood tests is the end all for catching cheats when you have to know what you are looking for to actually find it.

for some weird reason, people are convinced that somehow, manny can take a-side meth in less than six days that dramatically improves his performance and is totally undetectable by urine tests and blood tests IMMEDIATELY after the fight. and note that manny is technically no longer training during the last seven days before the fight!

you actually don't think THAT is absurd yet the $10million is?

Yet Floyd has been the only one consistently willing to take all the tests randomly! Its only Pacquiao that has ever refused a test when tens of millions are on the table.

you should ask floyd why he isn't willing to give manny seven days when he offered initially 14 days, when possibly over a HUNDRED MILLION IS AT STAKE. wasn't it floyd who said he's interested in the money? doesn't look like it to me.

We don't know what Manny is taking. So why do you insist that a urine tests is adequate? You've already admitted that HGH is undetectable by urine tests. Why do you then ignore the possibility that other drugs may exist that urine tests cannot detect when HGH has already established reasonable doubt?

i insist that urine AND blood tests are adequate. HGH is the ONLY significant benefit blood has over urine, and as i already stated before, you need to take HGH for MONTHS to get benefits.

and even THEN, the beneficial results are questionable. in fact, you can find several medical sources stating that HGH NEEDS TO BE TAKEN IN TANDEM WITH PEDS to actually have any benefits. and guess what? PEDS can be easily detected by urine tests!

you can google as long as you want, i can guarantee you that you won't find ANY report confirming or even speculating any benefits for HGH with less than a week of using.

A better question is if Floyd offered 14 days and Pacquiao refused it, then why is 14 days acceptable now? And whose fault is it that the 14 days is no longer on the table?

BOTH are at fault. Manny for not accepting it in time and floyd for not accepting Pac's compromise when he finally agreed to it. Manny has been consistently lowering his demands, from no tests at all to 30 days, to 24 and to 7. Manny is slowly conceding more and more and though i'm hoping that he'll eventually accept no cutoff, 7 is reasonable at this point in time.

you can view manny's lowering his demands as questionable, or you can view manny's lowering his demands as someone consistently compromising on his original demands in an effort to make the fight happen. its entirely up to you.

Be that as it may, Floyd NEVER asked to lower the penalty for coming in over weight. He simply wanted the best and most stringent testing available.

for your information, blood testing ISN'T the best testing available. whether you like it or not, urine tests is STILL the gold standard. in fact, blood tests, if you look at it was also one of the tests conte HIMSELF laughed at and cheated FOR YEARS. let me put it to you this way. how many cheats were caught using the blood tests? out of the HUNDREDS of tests taken over the years, you can only count with your hands how many were actually caught.

So you are saying that boxers have an extensive body examination before fight??? You are saying that they couldn't get away with holes? Even in the legs or on the ass cheeks?

sure, why not? you're demanding they go as far as randomly draw blood, why would a simple fully body examination be a problem? heck, why not make it a RANDOM physical examination while we are at it? i doubt if it would take more than 15 minutes per exam.

[AFighter4U]

LMAO How?

That quote was so funny, in context, that I might sig it myself

I havent talked to you for awhile, are you still a dishonest whiney b1tch ?

Or shall I put you back on ignore ?

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Well, I wasn't sure, so I rang around.....

I got some funny sounding kid on the phone, at first he thought that I was calling from WADA, so he repeatedly hung up..... but once I convinced him that I just wanted some business advice, he was most happy to help.

He told me..... ALWAYS TAKE THE MONEY !!

" Yay..... Osky like me..... me take money..... me smart"

LMAO

i didn't know you put me on ignore since i don't bother with inconsequential details like such. and do please put me on ignore if it makes you feel any better.

i mean, you ALREADY PUT YOURSELF IN IGNORE AND CALLED YOURSELF A ***go7.

Lol! i don't mind being ignored by a person like that.

[LeadUppercut]

Jay, props for your perseverance, and for your diplomacy.

But I will give you the tip.....

That ******* is one of the worst, he is likely about to peddle you a half-page full of the whiniest dribble you have ever seen. In fact, I would bet on it, which is why he became my second "ignore".

I am picky how I spend my time now.

*** dishonest posters.

sure, why not? you're demanding they go as far as randomly draw blood, why would a simple fully body examination be a problem? heck, why not make it a RANDOM physical examination while we are at it? i doubt if it would take more than 15 minutes per exam.

Like I told ya Jay, this clown is nothing but a nut-hugging fanboy who will completely ignore the facts, stick his head up his arse, and babble a whole pile of childish opportunistic excuses.

He is yet another dishonest Pac cheerleader, which is why he put on ignore.

I dont mind debate, but I will not treat dishonest people with respect.

[LeadUppercut]

Nobody wants to commit, everyone relies on "faith"

i didn't know you put me on ignore since i don't bother with inconsequential details like such. and do please put me on ignore if it makes you feel any better.

i mean, you ALREADY PUT YOURSELF IN IGNORE AND CALLED YOURSELF A ***go7.

Lol! i don't mind being ignored by a person like that.

Come on then genius, tell me..... which one of those 7 different ridiculous excuses did you believe?

Or is it not only Tweedledee and Tweedledum that cannot answer that question, is Tweedledummer having problems with that question as well?

The reason why none of you will answer that question, is because you ALL know that as soon as you commit to one of those excuses, I am going to rip you a new arsehole, because those excuses were all ridiculous.

[RisAri0]

this statement should be the opposite... I mean come on, if I were him I'd rather take an L by an illegal substance from his opponent. He can say "I lost, but guess what. Thats what it took to beat me.". Floyd is full of **** haha.

[LeadUppercut]

This link pretty much addresses all of those whiney excuses.....
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/conte...6bbcaec9c40981

[Brother Jay]

This link pretty much addresses all of those whiney excuses.....
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/conte...6bbcaec9c40981

What's so disturbing about your advice is how true it is. I have to say though AFighter4U is at least civil. He has completely glossed over my post and used semantics at every turn, but unlike most *******s he is civil. I have to give him that much. I do not seek to persuade AFighter4U. When one has developed an aversion to facts and figures then no one can persuade them.

I just wanted him and anyone reading know that I know that other's know the truth and have resisted being swayed by semantics, smoke and mirrors. Not ever fan buys into the bullcrap. Some fans care more about the sport than any individual boxer. Had Floyd pulled this crap I would be blasting him instead of Pacquiao. *******s just don't get that. In their minds, its Black vs Yellow, or American vs Filipino, or good vs evil. They are rabid racists who have used their dislike for Floyd as an excuse to make make racially charged tirades and hateful accusations.

You mentioned my diplomacy. I purposely argue my points in an honest and cohesive manner to show that facts can be discussed without having to attack an entire people. My words don't have to have the stain of racial hatred in order to be strong and true. However, a person can only take so much and I too have been guilty of firing back with insults as at some points I have had enough.

Boxing is my object of affection, not Floyd. Floyd just happens to represent the best of this generation. And boxing has tried to hype up Pacquiao in the same way they are trying to keep the HW division legitimate. Its shameful, but its up to REAL fans like you, I and some others to spread the word.

That's why I spend time doing what I do, Brother Uppercut.

As far as the link to the article you posted LeadUppercut, that was outstanding.

The evidence presented completely shatters *******'s arguments .. especially concerning Pacquiao's supposed consent to the tests. I have made the same argument on this very board, but not as eloquently.

[John Barron]

Hi Ben, I enjoy reading your articles. Keep up the good work. And have you seen this video (Pacquiao agrees to fully random blood testing)? What's your take on it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ns-kQqYrI -Jose

BT: Thanks for the kudos, Jose. Yeah, I've seen the infamous "Manny Pacquiao Agress to random Blood Test and Wants Floyd" video. Here's the thing though, in that video, I didn't hear Manny say that he'll agree to random blood tests leading all the way up until the fight. What I heard him say was, "We agree all his, you know, demands." The question is, which demands is he agreeing to? Is he agreeing to his current request of random drug testing leading all the way up until the bout? Or is he agreeing to Mayweather's original offer of a 14-day cut-off when the two sides entered into mediation in early 2010? The guy asking the questions was trying to lead him a bit by specifying that he did not require a cut-off date, which prompted Manny to simply agree and say, "Yes," but that still isn't a definitive answer in my opinion, especially considering how quickly the question was brushed off. Furthermore, that video was recorded in the weeks prior to his fight with Antonio Margarito. The funny thing is, there's another video that came out in the weeks prior to his fight with Margarito, except this one aired on HBO. In the first episode of HBO's 24/7 Pacquiao Margarito, while commenting on the mysterious second round of negotiations, Pacquiao's own advisor, Michael Koncz, states, "We pretty much agreed to anything on the drug testing except not within 7 days." Take a look at this link, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXBIh_NDPss, and let me know what you think. To me, it looks like Team Pacquiao is having a hard time keeping their stories straight. The bottom line, however, is that thus far, Team Mayweather has not been presented an offer which states, on paper, that Pacquiao has agreed to take the random blood and urine tests that they require, so it really doesn't matter what he may or may not say.

what i've been sayin for friggin months.