Comments Thread For: Merchant on Mayweather-Ortiz, Pacquiao-Marquez, More

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If you want me to tell you what was going on on this board and in the media the consensus was this:


Hardcore fans were saying mayweather could take on Margarito, the "mayweather is scared of margarito" campaign hadnt started yet, so it was just something thrown out there.

Majority of the fight fans wanted mayweather to take on baldomir, Mayweather was being accused of taking on the loser of the fight and majority of people on here felt he should have fought baldomir.

Margaritos campaign of mayweather being scared was ramped up during the summer after the judah fight.

In all honesty, the majority of fans wanted him to take on Baldomir, thats a sincere fact and i remember emmanuel steward on tv after the baldomir/gatti fight saying 'if mayweather were to take on baldomir he would gain alot of respect within the fight community for fighting a guy who is durable and bigger than him"

only NOW that hes beaten him do people think that all these fans wanted him to fight margarito. At the time margarito was a straight nobody whos fights were on small top rank ppv because he had virtually no following at all. The only people who were calling for that fight were a few hardcore fight fans and a few VERY xenophobic mexicans who used to post here on a daily basis.

The hype train really derailed when he fought joshua clottey and looked very very ordinary, with the oscar fight signed shortly after he fought clottey it was clear to alot of people that mayweather should get a pass. oscar was just as big as margarito and far more skilled and accomplished.

At the end of the day Floyd fought the two people everyone wanted him to fight, Baldomir and Judah, they both did right around the same in PPV buys as well (350k).

I can remember Bryan Kenny ripping mayweather for NOT fighting Baldomir. The Judah fight ended up being very good regardless. Unlike a margarito fight which would likely resemble the baldomir fight.

Pretty much nailed it El Jesus. Thats EXACTLY what was going on here. I remember that for sure.

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He only fought Santos once at 154. And, the other only lasted 1 round FFS's.

TRUE. The first time he fought Santos was at WW and it ended in the first. The 2nd time was at 154 and he lost in the 10th. So at WW and SWW, Margarito still couldn't handle Santos and Floyd moved up to 154 being much smaller, height and size and still beat an Oscar who was being trained by Freddie Roach and sparred with Shane Mosley. You are definitely overrating Margarito when it comes to Floyd. Sure I would have loved to see Floyd against Cotto and Margarito but I think it was more political than anything.

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TRUE. The first time he fought Santos was at WW and it ended in the first. The 2nd time was at 154 and he lost in the 10th. So at WW and SWW, Margarito still couldn't handle Santos and Floyd moved up to 154 being much smaller, height and size and still beat an Oscar who was being trained by Freddie Roach and sparred with Shane Mosley. You are definitely overrating Margarito when it comes to Floyd. Sure I would have loved to see Floyd against Cotto and Margarito but I think it was more political than anything.

How did you come to that conclusion especially the first fight at WW?

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IronDanHamza is the only one that actually answered the question. Him and maybe RubenSonny are the only true honest Floyd fans.

Everybody else is a bunch ****riders.

I think when people look back and reread this thread. All they are going to see is you making excuses, making **** up and back tracking. Of course Floyd could have fought someone else after Zab but he already made it an obligation to fight Zab Judah. Why can't you get that in your brain already? Zab and Baldomir were the fights that people wanted to see and they happened to make Floyd the Lineal Champion of the WW division. The only one who is d!ck riding is you, because you keep side stepping and making up your own opinions and passing them off as facts. I'll give you a fact and that is, Floyd fought the right people in the division at the right time and if it wasn't for Bob Arum. We could have seen many more fights with Floyd and guys like Cotto and Margarito. You can believe Floyd ducked them and that's your right but I'll tell you right now. Whether it would have been Before or after. I still would pick Floyd to win. Funny how you only blame Mayweather for fights not happening like there were no other people involved. You are camouflauged as an unbias boxing fan but you come off pretty bias and if no one agrees with you, then you resort to calling names and talking ****.

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How did you come to that conclusion especially the first fight at WW?

"WBO Welterweight Championship

On July 21, 2001, he got his first world title try against southpaw Daniel Santos for the WBO World Welterweight crown, at Bayamón, Puerto Rico's Rubén Rodríguez Coliseum. The fight had to be stopped in the first round as a consequence of a clash of heads that opened deep gashes on both fighters and sent them both to a nearby hospital. Because the fight had not gone four rounds or more for a technical decision to be awarded, it was declared a no contest, and Santos retained the belt."

Santos vacated the title to move up to 154 and then that's where the rematch happened that ended in the 10th because of another clash of heads.

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TRUE. The first time he fought Santos was at WW and it ended in the first. The 2nd time was at 154 and he lost in the 10th. So at WW and SWW, Margarito still couldn't handle Santos and Floyd moved up to 154 being much smaller, height and size and still beat an Oscar who was being trained by Freddie Roach and sparred with Shane Mosley. You are definitely overrating Margarito when it comes to Floyd. Sure I would have loved to see Floyd against Cotto and Margarito but I think it was more political than anything.

This topic is crazy!!!! Just throwing that out there...

The Quoted Post: Very true that Margo lost to Santos at 154. The wording you are using is tricky though. Margo came on very strong, and was closing the gap very fast on Santos. The fight was stopped cause of a cut caused by a headbutt.

The fight at 147, was also stopped on a cut caused by a headbutt. Nothing was really proven. Santos came on strong early (and wobbled Margo twice), and Margo came on strong late, and dropping Santos once (if memory serves). All in all, the Santos fight was an L for Margo, but nothing people make it out to be.

EDIT: Come to think of it, it could have been Margo that hit the deck...Can't remember fully.

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Santos vacated the title to move up to 154 and then that's where the rematch happened that ended in the 10th because of another clash of heads.

Beat me to it.

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I think when people look back and reread this thread. All they are going to see is you making excuses, making **** up and back tracking. Of course Floyd could have fought someone else after Zab but he already made it an obligation to fight Zab Judah. Why can't you get that in your brain already? Zab and Baldomir were the fights that people wanted to see and they happened to make Floyd the Lineal Champion of the WW division. The only one who is d!ck riding is you, because you keep side stepping and making up your own opinions and passing them off as facts. I'll give you a fact and that is, Floyd fought the right people in the division at the right time and if it wasn't for Bob Arum. We could have seen many more fights with Floyd and guys like Cotto and Margarito. You can believe Floyd ducked them and that's your right but I'll tell you right now. Whether it would have been Before or after. I still would pick Floyd to win. Funny how you only blame Mayweather for fights not happening like there were no other people involved. You are camouflauged as an unbias boxing fan but you come off pretty bias and if no one agrees with you, then you resort to calling names and talking ****.

That's what I said pages ago...... yet this dude is still at it. At the end of the day its what boxing fans wanted, just not when they wanted it. Which resulted to fans saying Floyd was ducking Baldo for Judah not Margarito...

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This topic is crazy!!!! Just throwing that out there...

The Quoted Post: Very true that Margo lost to Santos at 154. The wording you are using is tricky though. Margo came on very strong, and was closing the gap very fast on Santos. The fight was stopped cause of a cut caused by a headbutt.

The fight at 147, was also stopped on a cut caused by a headbutt. Nothing was really proven. Santos came on strong early (and wobbled Margo twice), and Margo came on strong late, and dropping Santos once (if memory serves). All in all, the Santos fight was an L for Margo, but nothing people make it out to be.

EDIT: Come to think of it, it could have been Margo that hit the deck...Can't remember fully.

It was Margarito who got knocked down by Santos in their fight. People talking about Margarito like he was something special. The Oscar that fought Floyd would have probably cleaned Margarito's clock at 154.

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It was Margarito who got knocked down by Santos in their fight. People talking about Margarito like he was something special. The Oscar that fought Floyd would have probably cleaned Margarito's clock at 154.

That wasn't the point I was making...The fight was close, and getting even closer when it was stopped...

Skill wise, Margo was never anything special...

As far as the Oscar comment...I don't deal in fantasy. Only fights that have happened.