Comments Thread For: Merchant on Mayweather-Ortiz, Pacquiao-Marquez, More

[jrosales13]

Show me what article where Arum said that? Arum said that the fight with Oscar was not possible but sometime down the road. Aum hated Oscar and didn't want to do business with him like Arum is still doing now with other promoters. It is a known fact that Floyd Mayweather Jr was looking to land a fight with Oscar De La Hoya around the time Bob Arum was trying to get him to fight Antonio Margarito. Floyd told Arum that he would fight Margarito, if Arum served up Cotto/Hatton for 10MIL and a fight with Oscar for 20MIL. How is that ducking? When Margarito stepped to Floyd. Floyd was chasing Oscar and he told Margarito if he wants to fight, to keep winning and it would be greater later and what happened after? Margarito went on to lose to Paul Williams. I'm still curious to know how Floyd duck Margarito and Cotto, when Arum held the cards? Floyd became the Lineal champion at WW by beating Zab and Baldomir. How are those bad moves?




http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2420382

In that same article. Did I not say this? I just told you the same article. Click the same link.

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window

[Doctor_Tenma]

To be honest, Floyd fighting Oscar at 154 coming up from 130lbs just a few years prior is a much better win than Antonio Margarito in any universe. Oscar still had a little something left at that point and at no time or place is Margarito a superior fighter. Add to the fact that he got caught cheating, to argue otherwise is a reach at this point.

Margarito is a disgraced fighter at this point, yes Mosley was also involved in cheating, but there is a key difference to wrapping your gloves and taking enhancement drugs IMO.

Grustler, no matter your opinion of him, makes a key point that alot of the margarito propaganda was brought about RIGHT when Mayweather was getting ready to leave bob arum.

Notice how mayweathers two biggest "ducks" are miguel cotto and antonio margarito, two fighters bob arum controls.

Notice how many bob arum fighters floyd has fought since, 0.

If Mayweather taking on Zab Judah is still a ****in issue when hes fought oscar, hatton, mosley and now Ortiz, then we need to re-examine another fighter who continues to take on beltholders who either are coming off a loss, or the results are skewed to his advantage.

I consider the Oscar win to be extremely underrated, I honestly can't see Cotto or Margarito beating that version of Oscar, especially Margarito.

[El Jesus]

I sincerely do not think Mayweather had any intention of staying with Bob Arum at all. If he did, hed be making nowhere near what he makes right now IMO. He caked huge off that Oscar fight, he made more than the 20 million arum wouldnt give him. I see no reason why it even matters at this point. These are arguments that raged here for nearly 3 years from 2005-2008. Its pointless IMO to keep it going on either side.

[jrosales13]

To be honest, Floyd fighting Oscar at 154 coming up from 130lbs just a few years prior is a much better win than Antonio Margarito in any universe. Oscar still had a little something left at that point and at no time or place is Margarito a superior fighter. Add to the fact that he got caught cheating, to argue otherwise is a reach at this point.

Margarito is a disgraced fighter at this point, yes Mosley was also involved in cheating, but there is a key difference to wrapping your gloves and taking enhancement drugs IMO.

Grustler, no matter your opinion of him, makes a key point that alot of the margarito propaganda was brought about RIGHT when Mayweather was getting ready to leave bob arum.

Notice how mayweathers two biggest "ducks" are miguel cotto and antonio margarito, two fighters bob arum controls.

Notice how many bob arum fighters floyd has fought since, 0.

If Mayweather taking on Zab Judah is still a ****in issue when hes fought oscar, hatton, mosley and now Ortiz, then we need to re-examine another fighter who continues to take on beltholders who either are coming off a loss, or the results are skewed to his advantage.

No Floyd 2 biggest ducks and only ducks are Marg and Johnston. After that Floyd duck no one.

That was not the only opportunity Floyd had in fighting Marg. He also could have fought Marg instead of Judah. And, decided not to.

We can talk about the BS Pac is pulling. Because, I am assuming that's who you're referring to in your last paragraph. Why should Pac get a pass for his crappy ass fights? Why should Floyd? Why should any elite fighter?

They are all in the same boat. What's good for the gander is good for the goose. Fans shouldn't defend crappy ass fights. Nor should they make excuses after excuses on why their favorite shouldn't fight the best available.

[jrosales13]

Jrosales, the fight between judah and mayweather was renegotiated, Cory Spinks was a fight that was being negotiated during the summer of 2006 long after judah/mayweather happened, mayweather fought carlos baldomir instead when he signed a one off deal with goosen/tutor promotions, Spinks was rejected after major negative press.

The Spinks fight was presumably a tuneup for 154 and oscar, not a replacement for judah.

That means he could have picked a different opponent no? There was nothing set in stone. After Judah lost to a damn journeyman. Floyd could of went another route right?

[GRUSTLER]

I consider the Oscar win to be extremely underrated, I honestly can't see Cotto or Margarito beating that version of Oscar, especially Margarito.

Antonio Margarito could not even beat Daniel Santos both times at 154.

[jrosales13]

Antonio Margarito could not even beat Daniel Santos both times at 154.

He only fought Santos once at 154. And, the other only lasted 1 round FFS's.

[GRUSTLER]

That means he could have picked a different opponent no? There was nothing set in stone. After Judah lost to a damn journeyman. Floyd could of went another route right?

Do you know anything about honoring your agreements, keeping your word when it comes to making and setting up deals? There are some who think Zab would have won if he didn't tire against Floyd. There are always excuses when it comes to Mayweather and no matter how much we or any of us debate about it, there will not be a resolve of opinions. Floyd fighting Zab then Baldomir made him become the Lineal Champion of the WW division. what else did everyone want? The Zab fight was anticipated and built up and Brian Kenny roasted Mayweather because he wasn't cosnidering fighting Baldmor who most WW's thought would be a problem for Floyd because of his size. Funny how you keep belittling Baldomir but at the time, none of the Top WW's did....

"It's really hard, I keep changing my mind back and forth on who's going to win this fight," said new IBF champ Kermit Cintron, who won his title (which Mayweather had vacated) with a fifth-round TKO victory over Mark Suarez on Saturday.

Kermit Cintron
Cintron

"To me, it's a toss-up," said Paul Williams, the undefeated WBO No. 1 contender, who will be fighting Mario Lucero on the undercard on Saturday, in what he hopes will be a final tune-up before challenging Antonio Margarito for that version of the title.

Margarito, however, must himself first get past a difficult defense in Atlantic City on Dec. 2 against Joshua Clottey, whose only loss was a disqualification against Baldomir in a 1999 bout he was winning on the scorecards. If Margarito prevails against Clottey, his eyes appear to be less on Williams than on the victor of Saturday's contest.

"The only two threats I see at 147 pounds are Mayweather and Baldomir," Margarito recently told ESPN.com over brunch in Las Vegas. He will have, he said, a rooting interest Saturday night.

This is for the people that keep saying $8MIL for Antonio Margarito was SO MUCH for PBF to refuse:

On July 22, Baldomir knocked out fan favorite Arturo Gatti to cement his place as a legitimate champion rather than a one-fight aberration. Promoter Dan Goossen then stepped in to table a deal that contained enough money to make both sides happy (reportedly matching the $8 million Mayweather had been offered by Arum to fight Margarito), paving the way for Saturday's fight.

And here are some more thoughts from the 147 pound division in regards to Mayweather/Baldomir since you guys SWEAR that everyone thought it was SO EASY for PBF.

"Mayweather should be the favorite," Margarito said, "but Baldomir's a dangerous fighter. We'll see."

"It's a good fight," Williams said. "They're calling it 'Pretty Risky.' To me, it's a toss-up. It don't matter who you're in the ring with, it only takes one punch to change the whole night around."

"Like I said, it's a pick 'em," added Smith, although he marginally favors the underdog. "As the fight gets gritty, toward the later rounds, the championship rounds, I'd have to lean toward the bigger guy."

Cintron tilts the other way.

"My heart is going toward Mayweather on a decision."
-- Cintron

"My heart is going toward Mayweather on a decision," he said. "It's going to be a tough fight for him, but I think he's going to pull it off. I just think that Baldomir's toughness is going to take him through to the end of the fight."

How come these top WW's weren't ****ting on Baldomir but you are?

[El Jesus]

That means he could have picked a different opponent no? There was nothing set in stone. After Judah lost to a damn journeyman. Floyd could of went another route right?

If you want me to tell you what was going on on this board and in the media the consensus was this:


Hardcore fans were saying mayweather could take on Margarito, the "mayweather is scared of margarito" campaign hadnt started yet, so it was just something thrown out there.

Majority of the fight fans wanted mayweather to take on baldomir, Mayweather was being accused of taking on the loser of the fight and majority of people on here felt he should have fought baldomir.

Margaritos campaign of mayweather being scared was ramped up during the summer after the judah fight.

In all honesty, the majority of fans wanted him to take on Baldomir, thats a sincere fact and i remember emmanuel steward on tv after the baldomir/gatti fight saying 'if mayweather were to take on baldomir he would gain alot of respect within the fight community for fighting a guy who is durable and bigger than him"

only NOW that hes beaten him do people think that all these fans wanted him to fight margarito. At the time margarito was a straight nobody whos fights were on small top rank ppv because he had virtually no following at all. The only people who were calling for that fight were a few hardcore fight fans and a few VERY xenophobic mexicans who used to post here on a daily basis.

The hype train really derailed when he fought joshua clottey and looked very very ordinary, with the oscar fight signed shortly after he fought clottey it was clear to alot of people that mayweather should get a pass. oscar was just as big as margarito and far more skilled and accomplished.

At the end of the day Floyd fought the two people everyone wanted him to fight, Baldomir and Judah, they both did right around the same in PPV buys as well (350k).

I can remember Bryan Kenny ripping mayweather for NOT fighting Baldomir. The Judah fight ended up being very good regardless. Unlike a margarito fight which would likely resemble the baldomir fight.

[jrosales13]

IronDanHamza is the only one that actually answered the question. Him and maybe RubenSonny are the only true honest Floyd fans.

Everybody else is a bunch ****riders.