do you give floyd credit for dominating jmm like no 1's ever done?

[Walt Liquor]

Butt hrut why? I HATE floyd. I also hate how people comment and dont look at the bigger picture.

JMM wasn't lumbering around the ring, he was confused. Just as Morales was when he fought Raheem and is quoted for sayign before the fight " I want to test myself. I have never fought a 'slick' fighter before " and look at the result. A far inferior fighter than Morales outclassed him easily - styles make fights.

JMM looked shy against John, and Norwood before that. It's all a style clash, keep weight out of it. JMM is a different type of counter puncher. He doesn't create openings but instead prefers for his opponent to engage and he returns fire. Boxers like floyd who refuse to initiate first will always be too stubborn for JMM. FLoyd also stuck with 1 punch at a time as opposed to combinations because that's when JMM fires back. He loses thsi fight in any weight and it always looks exactly the same.

you don't think JMM looked a bit slower?

even if floyd's style is too much for JMM, he gets ZERO credit for fighting 1) a fighter coming up 2 weight classes 2) who had never fought at 140 or 147 before) 3) Floyd was allowed to weigh 3 lbs more than his opponent 4) was old 5) who's skill was in obvious decline, noticeably vs daiz and casa where he was getting teed off on

lets say that michael katsidas comes up to 147 to fight pac at a catch weight of 144 in 2-3 years. pac comes in at 147, kats comes in at 144...pac blows out kats. how much credit does pac get (the fact that kats has actually fought at 140 should cancel out the better skill of jmm, either way its a talior made matchup). I could give a better example at the lower weights if needed.

[IronDanHamza]

who picked him to win?

I do remember one idiot making a thread saying 'JMM will school Floyd' then after the fight dismissed the fight in the same thread. It should be on the archives somewhere.

What do you expect from idiots though?

There was a few of them saying Marquez would win but only very few.

[fceeviper]

JMM had no business being at 144 or even 140. This is the reason I'm against the 3rd fight vs Pac.

[etlux]

bottom line is this:

When Mayweather fought a mutual Pac opponent at a bad weight for them (Marquez) Mayweather beat him more impressively than Pac ever beat him. (because Marquez was at a bad weight)

When Pac fought a mutual Mayweather opponent at a weight that was bad for them (DLH) Pac beat them far more impressively than Mayweather did (Mayweather got SD against 154 DLH, Pac annihilated 147 DLH)

So the point is that they both can beat each other's mutual opponents better than the other guy did if they are fighting them at a disadvantageous weight.

So moral of the story? The only way to ever truly settle this argument is for Pac and Floyd to fight each other and that won't happen as long as coward Floyd keeps running and making excuses.

[intoccabile]

you don't think JMM looked a bit slower?

even if floyd's style is too much for JMM, he gets ZERO credit for fighting 1) a fighter coming up 2 weight classes 2) who had never fought at 140 or 147 before) 3) Floyd was allowed to weigh 3 lbs more than his opponent 4) was old 5) who's skill was in obvious decline, noticeably vs daiz and casa where he was getting teed off on

lets say that michael katsidas comes up to 147 to fight pac at a catch weight of 144 in 2-3 years. pac comes in at 147, kats comes in at 144...pac blows out kats. how much credit does pac get (the fact that kats has actually fought at 140 should cancel out the better skill of jmm, either way its a talior made matchup). I could give a better example at the lower weights if needed.

Yes I do think he looked a bit slower. But it was more of an illusion than anything IMO. I "know" he was slower, but how much slow? What am I comparing him to? His opponent? If I watch him against Diaz see technically the same fighter, you know? Just able to get take advantage of his spots. But against floyd, I think everyone looks a bit slower.

I've seen floyd impose his will before. He imposed it on a puncher in Shane and a puncher in Judah (after being hit at and outboxed against judah, and rocked against shane). He imposed it against Chop Chop as well after getting rocked, etc. He seems to impose his will against guys who can or have hurt him. He didn't attempt it at all against JMM. I believe, size differences aside, he respected JMMs countering ability and stuck to teh pot shot for that reason.

Yes I'm being ignorant in saying weigh thad ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it, but it's not too far fetched. I think we don't look at the actual styles enough. It would have gone done like that in any weight IMO.

I believe floyd deserves credit for not allowing a precision puncher like JMM to ever land anything. I don't believe that has much to do with weight. Just my 2 pennies

[IMDAZED]

I do remember one idiot making a thread saying 'JMM will school Floyd' then after the fight dismissed the fight in the same thread. It should be on the archives somewhere.

What do you expect from idiots though?

There was a few of them saying Marquez would win but only very few.

To be fair, a lot of people didn't know what Marquez would look like at 144 and Floyd coming off a long layoff was a complete unknown. I remember even respected posters like Silencers saying that in no way was the fight a tuneup. But I think the fight itself confirmed that Floyd still had gas in the tank and Marquez did not belong above 135. Making him the ideal opponent for November.

[The Gambler1981]

who picked him to win?

That is probably the best argument against giving Floyd credit, he basically did what was expected of him.

He had every important advantage really, which is probably the most impressive thing about that fight, sure JMM is smaller but he is a great fighter so that he had really nothing to hang his hat on is pretty crazy. Still if a guy holds every advantage he is expected to win and make it look easy which pretty much describes the fight.

It is like the old Chris Rock joke "Man I put food on the table for my kids~ you're suppose to do that you don't get credit for doing what you're suppose to do"

[Pez]

No, not really. I expected Floyd to win a one sided beatdown. Him coming in over the limit doesn't help his credit either.

[Chups]

Norris didnt get in because of his win over Leonard nor just his title defenses. he got in because hes one of the best 154lbers of all time and has a host of wins over good competition at that weight, including...

Quincy Taylor
Buster Drayton
John Mugabi
Rene Jacquot
Donald Curry
Jorge Fernando Castro
Carl Daniels
Meldrick Taylor
Maurice Blocker
Simon Brown
Paul Vaden
Vincent Pettaway

thats just sad, you need to learn what youre talking about.

Ahahahahahaha!!
Look at this loser...trying to follow up what fronter is insisting. At least the fronter and I knows that NORRIS DOES NOT DESERVE THE HOF!! Every fans knows this.....he has the weakest resume after Barry McGuigan. None of those fighters are HOF calibers. Beating a good champ is not enough.


Here is a list of other fighters with no HOF but with long title defenses.

Dariusz Michalczewski - 23 Defenses

Sven Ottke - 21 Defenses

Artur Grigorian - 17 Defenses

Myong Woo-Yuh - 17 Defenses

What do thay have in common. Yup none of them are in the HOF. They have the same accomplishments as Norris....guess what Norris has that they don't...Suagr Ray Leonard.

Anyway that's just my opinion....bragging about how you know more than me in boxing is just pushing it. That's a no-no bud....I have to give my opinion too.

[IMDAZED]

Ahahahahahaha!!
Look at this loser...trying to follow up what fronter is insisting. At least the fronter and I knows that NORRIS DOES NOT DESERVE THE HOF!! Every fans knows this.....he has the weakest resume after Barry McGuigan. None of those fighters are HOF calibers. Being a good champ is not enough.


Here is a list of other fighters with no HOF but with long title defenses.

Dariusz Michalczewski - 23 Defenses

Sven Ottke - 21 Defenses

Artur Grigorian - 17 Defenses

Myong Woo-Yuh - 17 Defenses

What do thay have in common. Yup none of them are in the HOF. They have the same accomplishments as Norris....guess what Norris has that they don't...Suagr Ray Leonard.

Anyway that's just my opinion....bragging about how you know more than me in boxing is just pushing it. That's a no-no bud....I have to give my opinion too.

Didn't I tell you to go back to the Pinoy Lounge? Comparing Sven Ottke to Terry Norris? Christ. Please...let the boxing fans handle this, ok?