Cotto Has Always Been Overrated...

[BLOODSHED]

Fair enough, but Torres HAD NO STAMINA whatsoever. He was dead after round three.

And we can say he wasn't world class, because thats a title you earn. Cotto was called a world class fighter and was being hyped (wrongfully) by HBO brass to be the next great Puerto Rican fighter. I think he can... he sure has better boxing skills than Tito.

I think Cotto's performance sunk HBO's inflated view of how good Cotto really is. Unfortunately for us, I think we're going to see another year of Cotto against fringe competitors.

his OPPONENTS werent good. thats not his fault that he only fought in Columbia, but theres absolutely no way you can say he's not good just based off his opponents.

reason?

he didnt lose to ANY of them, and knocked most of them out.

think about it.

if you put sugar ray leonard in with the same opponents, sugar would achieve the same record most likely...you cant do any better against bad opponents than a perfect record and knocking out most of your opponents.

[Pak men]

Honestly though, all Hall of Fame fighters start out at pro fighting bums with losing records. All of them.

Yeah, but continuing to fight bums will never land you on the hall of fame. it's a fact.

By this time Cotto should prove he can destroy Hatton or Floyd. Failure to do that means he is nothing more than a second rate loser and a fake.

It's a harsh description but it's a fact. Hall of famers demand nothing less.

[PapiShasho]

cotto needs to get back to how he used to be not even a year ago. yeah, its all speculation - but was the weight an issue??? cotto at one time had glimpses of greatness, ****, i got my ****en mexican friends to see that!!

new corner??? nutritionist?? what ya'll think?

i think its most likely the gradual step up in competition...

[Nautilus]

& this weekend proved it.
It's very nice that he showed an incredible amount of heart this weekend.

But....we're being told that this is the next GREAT fighter, & frankly....I don't see it. He should be mowing guys like Torres, big puncher or not, right down. It's not like Torres hit him once & hurt him....he REPEATEDLY laid heavy leather on this "technically brilliant" young fighter. I'm telling you now, Cotto is not the next Felix Trinidad. Tito was always far better than Cotto will ever be.

It's not his chin that's gonna do him in...it is his ROBOTIC STYLE. It's the way he fights that will see him EASILY beaten by the upper echelon of either the 140 or 147lb. class.
He just is too slow to get off. He has zero fluidity....everything, every punch/combo looks like it's been planned/thought out.This is fine, when you're not facing the best. But, when he faces someone like Floyd (right now a total MISMATCH), Htton, or Tszyu....I truly beleive you will see him handled with shocking ease.

I am not a "hater" of Cotto. I just have never been that impressed with him.

I disagree. Cotto has shown guts and determination.

Torres was defintiely the one who was underrated before the fight.

[PapiShasho]

Yeah, but continuing to fight bums will never land you on the hall of fame. it's a fact.

By this time Cotto should prove he can destroy Hatton or Floyd. Failure to do that means he is nothing more than a second rate loser and a fake.

It's a harsh description but it's a fact. Hall of famers demand nothing less.

and why is that? how many fights and how old was hatton before he finally fought an old tszyu?

exactly.

[jabsRstiff]

I disagree. Cotto has shown guts and determination.

Torres was defintiely the one who was underrated before the fight.

He shouldn't need to be showing guts & determination at this stage, if he's as AWESOME as he's been made out to be.

I'm not saying Cotto isn't very good....I am saying he's not going to be great.



Nash...

Cotto does not have better boxing skills than Trinidad did when he fought at 147.
Trinidad was far faster & sharper, more fluid, than Cotto has been or ever will be.

[baya]

He shouldn't need to be showing guts & determination at this stage, if he's as AWESOME as he's been made out to be.

I'm not saying Cotto isn't very good....I am saying he's not going to be great.



Nash...

Cotto does not have better boxing skills than Trinidad did when he fought at 147.
Trinidad was far faster & sharper, more fluid, than Cotto has been or ever will be.

i dunno about cotto not having better boxing skills than tito - don't get me wrong, i loved tito as a fighter - and both cotto like tito have a bunch of deficiencies as fighters but cotto - minus his last fight - has better all around boxing ability than tito. **** is .... it hasn't been put on display lately. but i can see your POV on that though.

[PRboxingfan]

Cotto and his team underestimated this guy because, A) they fought and beat him easily as an amateur, and B) he was regarded as a fighter who had fought bums as a pro. So, what happened? Cotto came out trying to trade with a puncher. He should've been the counter-puncher and relied on his quick reflexes and combinations to dispatch of Torres.

Cotto has the ability to fight going backwards, as he did against Abdullaev, and that's the type of fight you want against someone who can crack. It's OK to put the pressure on but you have to know when to back up and deliver punishment as your opponent is coming to you.

It was the body assault that did Torres in, he said so in the post fight presser. He said he was unable to deal with the powerful shots he absorbed to the body. Only one of those punches was borderline low, and that's the one he received on the ropes, right before he fell for his last KD before the KO (round 6?). You can see him grimace every time Cotto even faked the left to the body. Ask any boxer and they will tell you that a body attack will take away your stamina and your will to fight.

Cotto will come out calm, cool, and collected for his next fight and will show the world how good he really is. Other than Ricky and Floyd, what other top 140-pounders are left for Cotto to fight? We know the Floyd fight won't come yet and Hatton's promotional problems will probably keep him from fighting for a while, too. So, my guess is we'll probably see a fight with Holt or with Jr. Witter.

[baya]

Cotto and his team underestimated this guy because, A) they fought and beat him easily as an amateur, and B) he was regarded as a fighter who had fought bums as a pro. So, what happened? Cotto came out trying to trade with a puncher. He should've been the counter-puncher and relied on his quick reflexes and combinations to dispatch of Torres.

Cotto has the ability to fight going backwards, as he did against Abdullaev, and that's the type of fight you want against someone who can crack. It's OK to put the pressure on but you have to know when to back up and deliver punishment as your opponent is coming to you.

It was the body assault that did Torres in, he said so in the post fight presser. He said he was unable to deal with the powerful shots he absorbed to the body. Only one of those punches was borderline low, and that's the one he received on the ropes, right before he fell for his last KD before the KO (round 6?). You can see him grimace every time Cotto even faked the left to the body. Ask any boxer and they will tell you that a body attack will take away your stamina and your will to fight.

Cotto will come out calm, cool, and collected for his next fight and will show the world how good he really is. Other than Ricky and Floyd, what other top 140-pounders are left for Cotto to fight? We know the Floyd fight won't come yet and Hatton's promotional problems will probably keep him from fighting for a while, too. So, my guess is we'll probably see a fight with Holt or with Jr. Witter.

if he fights holt - **** i don't want him to fight holt.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

I agree, Cottos chin IS good. I dont know where the glass jaw thing came from. I have the fight downloaded and if you want it PM me. Cotto was shoved (not pushed or knocked) down. You will see this.

im contending that he has a sturdy chin and that the people trying to say he has a glass chin are wrong.

Come on guys... Did you see Cotto in the Torres or Corley fight??? He was doing the "baby elephant learning to walk" routine with his legs WAY TOO MUCH for my liking!

Maybe his chin isn't as bad as people are making out... But there's definatly gonna be a problem for him there.