Shane Mosley Floyd Mayweather Jr.: When Will He Get the Respect He Deserves?

[ronniejunior]

destructive tendencies. Mike Tyson never lost any fans due to his behavior, why should Mayweather Jr.? link

Article on point for most part...

Tyson didn't lose fans but he lost fights....people want floyd to lose then they will supposedly "like" him...it's not real love anyway...all floyd haters are
fans on the low anyhow...real boxing enthusiasts and fans appreciate his
boxing skills and outside ring persona

Ali wasn't loved until he had parkinson's....

[The Surgeon]

JMM was a TUNEUP after 2 years off..

At least Floyd didn't fight Alphoso Gomez or Micheal Jennings...

Ur bringing up Cotto why? Jeebuz Mayweather fans do him zero favours. Why are u all such diicks? I give him alot of credit and sometimes when ur the best fighter in the world (he is) ur held to a higher standard.

On Cotto since u mention - he fights everyone his record shows this, Gomez was sandwiched in between fights with Zab Judah, Shane Mosley and Antonio Margarito and i dont think Cotto was happy about fighting him either.

Jennings was a comeback fight after a brutal stoppage loss, for a vacant title, and followed immediatly by two fighters Floyd has failed to tangle with in Clottey and Pacquaio, he then stepped up a division and won another title against an undefeated fighter, i think we can cut him some slack no?

[megadeth]

As a fan I agree with most, that this fight has to happen soon. I want it as bad as all of you do, and think that it is Mayweather Jr. who is responsible for the lag and incompliance. I understand and am aware of the financial situation, where supposedly Mayweather Jr. is pricing himself out of the fight.

While I agree with almost all ofmost of what you said, I don't agree with you put all the blame FMJ, when he was the one making concessions during the first negotiation. FMJ was going towards making the fight, while Pac and team were going the other way. If they had agreed to the 14 days that was offered originally, we would probably be talking about the the second fight by now. Remember, originally, they had no problems with OST. Only later did they change their mind and start adding in all kinds of stipulations. How do you agree on something, later change your mind and then blame the other guy for asking in the first place?

The second negotiation, I can see that being blamed on Floyd, but certainly not the first.

As far as I know, FMJ has not been quoted as saying he wants 100 million for the fight.

[tonyjones]

Ur bringing up Cotto why? Jeebuz Mayweather fans do him zero favours. Why are u all such diicks? I give him alot of credit and sometimes when ur the best fighter in the world (he is) ur held to a higher standard.

On Cotto since u mention - he fights everyone his record shows this, Gomez was sandwiched in between fights with Zab Judah, Shane Mosley and Antonio Margarito and i dont think Cotto was happy about fighting him either.

Jennings was a comeback fight after a brutal stoppage loss, for a vacant title, and followed immediatly by two fighters Floyd has failed to tangle with in Clottey and Pacquaio, he then stepped up a division and won another title against an undefeated fighter, i think we can cut him some slack no?

Nail on the head floyd IMO is the best and should be held to higher standards same with pacman,these guys are the elites...hav a lot of respect for cotto gets in with the best with no bull****

[studentofthegam]

He dont get a gram of credit for beating JMM, its bad enough to drag him up to ur weight class but to then blatently come in over the agreed limit? Com'on! Proved nothing.

Mosley? Good performance that showed Floyd had heart and the ability to back a fighter with Shanes strength and power up but its poor in the fact that Mosley was in boxing years well over 300 years old.

Hatton i give Floyd huge credit for, i picked Ricky to win (foolishly) in that one. Hatton was the nightmare opponent for Floyd, he closes the gap quicker than anyone in the game and had a mean dig to the body. Big props ther for PBF, would have been tighter at 140 but cant complain.

Corrales - Great performance again hats off to him there even if Chico was hurting from weight making a bit. Didnt matter Floyd was on another level.

Castillo - Again Full credit, but it showed he is onbly human, JCC pushed him.

Zab - Was always gonna be tight for Floyd until his mental stregth and composure took over. Full credit

With Marquez dig a little deeper. The question I ask is "Who else beats Marquez in that fashion even at ww?". The answer is nobody. Not Pac, Not Cotto, Not Clottey or anyone else. Mosley should be full credit with no "buts". Any fighter at 147 could have fought Mosley that nigt and "old" wouldnt have been an excuse. True Mosley showed he didnt have it anymore but he was getting things done to him that he had never seen before. So the victory doesnt all go to the third competitor, "age". That being said, Shane has a mega fight next weekend with none other than the world's darling in Pacqiao. If Pac knocks him out then there will be joy in the city for beating a man that was labeled shot a year ago. Hmmm.

alot of people, myself included, used to respect floyd during his pbf days. there was nothing to hate about the kid. now, as he started adopting the "money" persona, he shifted from the previous image and boxing fans kinda started to lose respect for him gradually. it's hard to respect someone who's not willing to respect others in the first place.

Is it really disrespect to talk a little **** to your opponents. SRR lived the flashy life, Ali down right degraded his opposition and Tyson well...He planned on making a dish with Lewis's kids and has actually taken a bite out of two HoFers. Why should he respect these so-called fans who wont be happy unless you lose. Yeah he likes money but who doesnt. He earned every dime on his sweat. Hell I aint one for flashing money. I think its a little silly TBH. But it doesnt change my liking for a person. It just seems to me that thats the easy excuse for hating (not that you hate him but in general). Floyd is a jealous person and he does want fan support. If we cant see that then we are as blind as people say he is.

[tomhawq]

With Marquez dig a little deeper. The question I ask is "Who else beats Marquez in that fashion even at ww?". The answer is nobody. Not Pac, Not Cotto, Not Clottey or anyone else. Mosley...

are you phuking serious? the sad part for this is we will never know because those other fights will never happen. katsidis just ktfd marquez in his last fight. can you imagine marquez lasting 12 rounds with cotto, clottey and marg? another sad part is we may never know what kind of fight we would have had floyd fought marquez at around the time pac fought him and at the appropriate weight. so these are just subjective suppositions. they mean nothing. absolutely nothing other than they come from a ****rider. another thing is that marquez is a counter puncher. he's at his finest when his opponent is a come forward type like pac. floyd is not. all the odds are stacked up against him. he was forced to do something outside of his comfort zone with floyd. so think a bit deeper yourself before posting such crap. hope that helps for now.

[mathed]

alot of people, myself included, used to respect floyd during his pbf days. there was nothing to hate about the kid. now, as he started adopting the "money" persona, he shifted from the previous image and boxing fans kinda started to lose respect for him gradually. it's hard to respect someone who's not willing to respect others in the first place.

Floyd USED to be my favorite boxer but that was more than a few years ago when, as you stated, he was PBF. His whole attitude and persona is disgusting to me but it is what it is.

In the beginning of his career, he had the makings of an ATG. The last 5 years or so though have proven to be the biggest waste of talent imaginable. That being said, I feel he is one of the most talented boxers out there but sadly, his career and his legacy (which he apparently cares nothing about as he has stated) will be one of mixed viewing in years to come- not nearly worthy of atg status imo. Corrales, Castillo, and Hernandez were his best wins imo. Hatton...good but that fight at 140 would have held much more weight to me and the JMM fight was perhaps the biggest disgrace of his entire career.

[studentofthegam]

are you phuking serious? the sad part for this is we will never know because those other fights will never happen. katsidis just ktfd marquez in his last fight. can you imagine marquez lasting 12 rounds with cotto, clottey and marg? another sad part is we may never know what kind of fight we would have had floyd fought marquez at around the time pac fought him and at the appropriate weight. so these are just subjective suppositions. they mean nothing. absolutely nothing other than they come from a ****rider. another thing is that marquez is a counter puncher. he's at his finest when his opponent is a come forward type like pac. floyd is not. all the odds are stacked up against him. he was forced to do something outside of his comfort zone with floyd. so think a bit deeper yourself before posting such crap. hope that helps for now.

You should chill on the ****rider label. I mean your name is "Pacfan". So the excuse is Marquez is a counter puncher? You should think before you say dumb ****. Marquez is a great fighter and not to mention one of my favorites. Why would he only be good at fighting one type of fighter and still be considered great. As much as you hate to admit it , Floyd toyed with Marquez coming off inactivity. If Pac fights Marquez at 147 whats your take on that? Katsidis knocked him down and he isnt the first and wont be the last to do it. If you've been paying attention a lot of guys have put him on the seat of his pants but he only has a hand full of losses. I'll put it this way, THERE IS NO WAY PAC CAN COAST AGAINST MARQUEZ! HE WOULD HAVE TO FIGHT HIS HEART OUT JUST LIKE THEIR LAST TWO FIGHTS at any weight. "***in believe it." (Kenny Powers)

[Suarez7]

Floyd USED to be my favorite boxer but that was more than a few years ago when, as you stated, he was PBF. His whole attitude and persona is disgusting to me but it is what it is.

In the beginning of his career, he had the makings of an ATG. The last 5 years or so though have proven to be the biggest waste of talent imaginable. That being said, I feel he is one of the most talented boxers out there but sadly, his career and his legacy (which he apparently cares nothing about as he has stated) will be one of mixed viewing in years to come- not nearly worthy of atg status imo. Corrales, Castillo, and Hernandez were his best wins imo. Hatton...good but that fight at 140 would have held much more weight to me and the JMM fight was perhaps the biggest disgrace of his entire career.

This is the best post i have seen on these boards since i joined.

[lefthook2daliva]

Oscar De La Hoya was past his prime, Shane Mosley was too old, Juan Manuel Marquez was way too small, and Ricky Hatton was an overhyped competitor. What about Zab Judah? Well Judah’s downfall was lack of stamina, otherwise he would have definitely beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. in their bout.

At what point, after beating what opponent, will Floyd Mayweather Jr. get full credit and respect he clearly deserves?

I have thought about his resume and his proposed, overblown possibility of facing Manny Pacquiao sometime god doesn’t even knows when.

For the sake of this piece, let’s imagine that Mayweather Jr. beats Pacquiao (that is if Mosley doesn’t do it first), and does it in a decisive, possibly boring but dominant fashion. While I am not stating a fact, I am exposing my strong opinion and prediction: excuses fill fall in an avalanche-like fashion.

What could be some of the possible excuses for Floyd not getting the respect and credit he deserves if he faces and beats Pacquaio? Excuses for this one will be awfully hard to come up with for the Pacquiao fanatics and Mayweather Jr. cynics.

Would Manny not be in his prime at that point in time? Would there be some unfair disadvantage to camp Pacquiao? Would the blood work be the cause for the loss like in the Morales fight? Link 1 Link 2

Nothing that Mayweather Jr. has done in boxing has been fully credited to his skills and dedication. Something was always wrong in his favor.

If Pacquiao were to lose to Mosley and then fight and suffer a loss against Floyd, it is clear that his “loss of mental strength and focus” due to the Mosley loss, would be echoing everywhere. A re-match would be rolling off everyone’s tongue, persuading one and all including themselves that it was a fluke.

It is not my intention to display Pacquiao fans in a negative light, but instead to find a reasonable explanation, and a rational understanding of where the Mayweather Jr. lack of respect is spawning from.

De La Hoya was non-competitive and utterly dehydrated in his fight against Pacquiao, yet Pacquiao was labeled a hero. Why? When Marquez clearly deserved a win, Pacquiao fans roared in disapproval. Why?

Mayweather Jr. is not a very active fighter, so what? Him not fighting often, is not an indication of fear or avoidance; instead it may very well be something more clever than we hypothesize. Categorizing Mayweather Jr. as scared of a loss and questioning his own skills is unfair. Mayweather Jr. is not any less of a champion than Pacquiao.

Pacquiao has definitely done more for the fans and the history of boxing than Mayweather Jr. How? By moving up in weight to fight bigger opposition, being a humble fan-pleasing character, fighting for his people, being a student of Freddie Roach, and of course being a politician.

His extracurricular activities and lovable singing character somehow tend to add to his boxing fame. Nevertheless, Mayweather Jr. has a record that easily proves his world class boxing abilities.

As a fan I agree with most, that this fight has to happen soon. I want it as bad as all of you do, and think that it is Mayweather Jr. who is responsible for the lag and incompliance. I understand and am aware of the financial situation, where supposedly Mayweather Jr. is pricing himself out of the fight.

Still, despite this fight being nothing but an idea that may never come to fruition, I have lost no respect for Mayweather’s boxing skills. I definitely like him less as a person, and see him as a troubled individual with very destructive tendencies. Mike Tyson never lost any fans due to his behavior, why should Mayweather Jr.?

I hope this fight finally happens, as there seems to be much more to gain and lose for Floyd Mayweather Jr. and his fans, versus those of Pacquiao. The final word needs to be seen instead of told, and all excuses need to be curbed before the fight ever happens, otherwise, we will never be content.



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So what is it that would satisfy you? Please answer with specificity.

I highly doubt that Floyd will ever get the credit and respect that he thinks he is entitled to. I just don't think it's possible to satisfy his sense of victimization and need for approval.

Even less chance, imo, that anybody will ever kiss his ass enough to satisfy his more militant fanbois (you know who you are).

He's fought what, twice in 3 years yet maintains a top 5 spot in most (including mine. I still have him #1 to tell you the truth) p4p lists.

He is widely considered to be the the most skilled fighter since who?

Sugar Ray Leonard?

The most gifted since who? RJJ?

Wtf do you (and those of your ilk) want?

Quit whinin' and tell ur hero to fight more often. We'd all like that.