Manny Pacquiao so called improvements

[$tate of Mind]

What Martinez has been saying is not new. You *****s have been saying this thing since time immemorial. The question is why do you want amateurish Pacman who's been fighting no hopers for Floyd or Martinez? Why not Martinez for Floyd? Martinez will kill Pac in the ring. Why would you want to see a mismatch? Doesn't make any sense.

Yes he would and it would expose Manny as being the over rated fighter that he is, that's why I'd like to see it. Btw, I would love to see Floyd fight Martinez as well.

[IronDanHamza]

Pac hasnt improved huh? thats why he is like miles and miles away in ATG ranking compare to JMM and even ahead of Floyd.

Ok.

What does that have to do with him improving or not?

skills doesnt make you automatically better than the other guys.

I agree.

Same question as above.

back in 2008 when he fought JMM, Pac was only a future hall of famer. now he is ATG and even rank probably inside top 20.

He actually was seen as an ATG back in 2008. By many people. What he has achieved since then has merely enhanced it.

And no, he isn't probably inside the top 20.

and for HATERS he hasnt improved much? what is your so called skilled counter puncher JMM has achieved and what Pac has achieved after the fight? another lineal title, 3 more division titles and a FIGHTER OF THE DECADE.

What does JMM have to do with anything? And what does the fact he hasn't achieved what Pac has after their fight have to do with whether Pac has improved or not?

name a fighter than can dominate Clottey, Margarito and Cotto with just losing 1 round and DESTROY them? yeah you cannot name on beside Pac because there is none. cherry picked? Clottey is a defensive counter puncher with lots of power, Cotto is a skilled boxer with great jab a body puncher with power and Margarito is a pressured fighter. carefully match making huh?

Joshua Clottey is not a counter puncher and he doesn't have lots of power.

Miguel Cotto is not a skilled boxer.

That being said the Cotto fight was a great win for Manny and enhanced his legacy. The other two? Not so much.

Your post had pretty much nothing to do with Manny improving or not and was pretty much just you babbling about being insulted for some reason because people say Manny hasn't drastically improved since 2008.

[NinjaMan!]

Oh *****'s ran for the hills.

[Vadrigar.]

You guys make me laugh ..... in one thread you guys state its impossible for a guy to move up in weight and do what he has done without PEDs and then YOU (and other Floyd fans) state, but what has he really done?

Where was this stated?

[jrosales13]

Yes he would and it would expose Manny as being the over rated fighter that he is, that's why I'd like to see it. Btw, I would love to see Floyd fight Martinez as well.

What ******, silly ass post this is.

My goodness smh.

[jrosales13]

Ok.

What does that have to do with him improving or not?



I agree.

Same question as above.



He actually was seen as an ATG back in 2008. By many people. What he has achieved since then has merely enhanced it.

And no, he isn't probably inside the top 20.



What does JMM have to do with anything? And what does the fact he hasn't achieved what Pac has after their fight have to do with whether Pac has improved or not?



Joshua Clottey is not a counter puncher and he doesn't have lots of power.

Miguel Cotto is not a skilled boxer.

That being said the Cotto fight was a great win for Manny and enhanced his legacy. The other two? Not so much.

Your post had pretty much nothing to do with Manny improving or not and was pretty much just you babbling about being insulted for some reason because people say Manny hasn't drastically improved since 2008.

Damn Joelab, you got shotdown with this post.

Nicely done IDH

[Vadrigar.]

Damn Joelab, you got shotdown with this post.

Nicely done IDH

Exactly Joelab is just posting red herrings.

[joelab75]

Ok.

1. What does that have to do with him improving or not?



I agree.

Same question as above.



2. He actually was seen as an ATG back in 2008. By many people. What he has achieved since then has merely enhanced it.

And no, he isn't probably inside the top 20.



3. What does JMM have to do with anything? And what does the fact he hasn't achieved what Pac has after their fight have to do with whether Pac has improved or not?



4. Joshua Clottey is not a counter puncher and he doesn't have lots of power.

Miguel Cotto is not a skilled boxer.

That being said the Cotto fight was a great win for Manny and enhanced his legacy. The other two? Not so much.

Your post had pretty much nothing to do with Manny improving or not and was pretty much just you babbling about being insulted for some reason because people say Manny hasn't drastically improved since 2008.

1. he wouldnt beat top guys in a welterweight if Pac has no skills or no improvement. would you like to see Cotto, Clottey and Margarito fighting a guy with only speed and see how they would do against those three guys? you all think speed alone can make you a welterweight and P4P king.

2. You will get own with this comment. Pac was never an ATG back in 2008 after the JMM fight. he got those ATG status after winning his 4th lineal title and his 6th division title against Hatton with a 2nd round destruction. no one predicted it would be that easy. YOU FAILED

so tel JRO to stop ****riding..

3. It has something to do with JMM because you all haters keep saying the JMM is skilled and Pac is not, but skills doesnt do much in boxing success. if technical skills are so important how come JM hasnt done much after the Pac fight? so you FAIL AGAIN.

the best offensive fighter in the last 10 years is Pac, if u dont call that skills i dont even know what skills are,,the guy can throw jabs, counter punch, great chin, better footwork, best ever 4-5-6 combo with power since he climbed above 130 lbs and u dont call it skills?


Miguel Cotto is not skilled boxer? is he come forward? so you have to be technician to be called skilled fighter? u can ask boxing experts and i bet you Cotto is in a category of skilled fighter.

Clottey has no power? do u even know what u talking about? he busted Cotto and almost busted Pac with fewer punches. Pac said Clottey was strong and it shows. CLOTTEY IS A DEFENSIVE COUNTER PUNCHER. watch more clottey's fight and you'll see. you probably just hating on Pac to discredit his achievements.

i mentioned Margarito because you haters keep on saying he fought come forward guys.

so my post had nothing to do with Pac's improvement? do you even know how to COMPREHEND? a guy with no or limited skills wouldnt reach Pac status. he isnt probably in the top 20? yeah probably higher? if 8 division title, 4 lineal and fighter of the decade was easy to do we'll see in the next 100 year is someone would even get close.

[joelab75]

The only difference with Pac now is that his bigger opponents have been a lot slower than his opponents at the lower weights, thus his his speed advantage has vastly increased. Pac has been killing his slow opponents with his huge speed advantage. He has also carried his power to the higher weights.

i thought Judah was fast with power and more skilled? oh wait you probably got another excuse..so Pac really is just fast huh? killing his opponents because he is FAST. you haters are good trying to discredit Pac.

[joelab75]

Exactly Joelab is just posting red herrings.

another **** rider?