Manny Pacquiao so called improvements

[jrosales13]

Marg looked past it and Hatton was damaged goods. Was Hatton even that good in the first place?

How was Hatton damaged goods?

[Vadrigar.]

How was Hatton damaged goods?

He was knocked out by mayweather and it took something out of him. Hatton's stamina was a problem in the Lazcano fight and he looked shaky; he was stunned quite often. Maybe his punch resistance had deteriorated?

Remember he had tough fights earlier in his career such as kostya tszyu.

[jrosales13]

He was knocked out by mayweather and it took something out of him. Hatton's stamina was a problem in the Lazcano fight and he looked shaky; he was stunned quite often. Maybe his punch resistance had deteriorated?

Remember he had tough fights earlier in his career such as kostya tszyu.

Well he was stunned before the Mayweather fight. Does that mean he's punch resistance had deteriorated?

I look at Juan Diaz after the JMM fight and you could tell that his punch resistance had deteriorated. Hence why he got dropped by Malignaggi. Paulie couldn't even hurt Hatton, so his punch resistance hadn't deteriorated that much if any. Or he would have suffered the same thing as Diaz did(again who's punch resistance had truly deteriorated)

And, Hatton arguably had won more rounds against Paulie than what Cotto did against Paulie. And, Cotto broke Malignaggi jaw.

And, for argument sake lets say you're right and that his punch resistance was deteriorated and that he was damaged goods. He was not only still the lineal JWW champ. But, really arguably the best JWW at that time.

[Vadrigar.]

Well he was stunned before the Mayweather fight. Does that mean he's punch resistance had deteriorated?

I look at Juan Diaz after the JMM fight and you could tell that his punch resistance had deteriorated. Hence why he got dropped by Malignaggi. Paulie couldn't even hurt Hatton, so his punch resistance hadn't deteriorated that much if any. Or he would have suffered the same thing as Diaz did(again who's punch resistance had truly deteriorated)

And, Hatton arguably had won more rounds against Paulie than what Cotto did against Paulie. And, Cotto broke Malignaggi jaw.

And, for argument sake lets say you're right and that his punch resistance was deteriorated and that he was damaged goods. He was not only still the lineal JWW champ. But, really arguably the best JWW at that time.

Hmm......I'll have a think about that. Thanks for the reply.

[Stiff Jabber]

If you can't see any difference from Pac vs JMM I up to this point of Pac career.....

Only differnce is his opponents.

[$tate of Mind]

What ******, silly ass post this is.

My goodness smh.

What are you talking about? Elaborate Diva.......

[FerdinandMarcos]

How was Hatton damaged goods?

Ask Freddy Roach...that's what he called Hatton...and Cotto...lol.

Ya'll need to start listening to Freddy.

[Carpe Diem]

[IronDanHamza]

1. he wouldnt beat top guys in a welterweight if Pac has no skills or no improvement. would you like to see Cotto, Clottey and Margarito fighting a guy with only speed and see how they would do against those three guys? you all think speed alone can make you a welterweight and P4P king.

Hmmmm, why do you keep talking like Pac has no skills? Did I say Pac has no skills? Pac has had skills since 2003..Alot of them.

Hense why he has managed to dismantle so many great fighters along the way.

Not that skill is needed to be great. But Manny certainly has them, and has for many years.

2. You will get own with this comment. Pac was never an ATG back in 2008 after the JMM fight. he got those ATG status after winning his 4th lineal title and his 6th division title against Hatton with a 2nd round destruction. no one predicted it would be that easy. YOU FAILED

so tel JRO to stop ****riding..

Erm, yes he was. Manny Pacqiauo was seen as an ATG in 2008, by me, and many others.

Pacqiauo was only considered an ATG after he beat Hatton? Oh really? You might be the only one.

Pacqiauo was a 3 division Lineal Titlst, multiple weight world champion, and considered a Top 3 fighter P4P for many years prior. That is ATG material.

Evidently, you didn't think so. For some reason

3. It has something to do with JMM because you all haters keep saying the JMM is skilled and Pac is not, but skills doesnt do much in boxing success. if technical skills are so important how come JM hasnt done much after the Pac fight? so you FAIL AGAIN.

Oh wow, what nonsense.

"all YOU haters"? Yet I'm here saying Pacqiauo was already an ATG in 2008 and you're saying he wasn't? That make me a hater somehow? Ooooooook.

Erm, when have I said Pac isn't skilled and JMM is? I have said the exact opposite. I have said Pac had great skills as far back as the first Barrera fight. Try again.

And even then, that still has nothing to do with Pac improving.

the best offensive fighter in the last 10 years is Pac, if u dont call that skills i dont even know what skills are,,the guy can throw jabs, counter punch, great chin, better footwork, best ever 4-5-6 combo with power since he climbed above 130 lbs and u dont call it skills?

Still confused I see? Show me where I said Pac has no skills please.

Or shall I quote myself where I said Pac HAS skills?

Take your pick.

Miguel Cotto is not skilled boxer? is he come forward? so you have to be technician to be called skilled fighter? u can ask boxing experts and i bet you Cotto is in a category of skilled fighter.

Cotto has skills, not that much but he has skills. But he isn't a skilled 'boxer' like you claimed. He's not even a boxer..

Clottey has no power? do u even know what u talking about? he busted Cotto and almost busted Pac with fewer punches. Pac said Clottey was strong and it shows. CLOTTEY IS A DEFENSIVE COUNTER PUNCHER. watch more clottey's fight and you'll see. you probably just hating on Pac to discredit his achievements.

Why do you insist on making things up? Quote me where I said Clottey has no power please.

I said he doesn't have 'lots of power' like you claimed. Mainly because he doesn't. He has average power, at best.

Clottey is a defensive fighter but is not a counter puncher, he fights in spurts. Wathc more Clottey fights and you'll see.

I'm actually not hating on Pac's achievments I'm doing the exact oppisite and saying he hasn't improved since 08 because he was that great in 08.

i mentioned Margarito because you haters keep on saying he fought come forward guys.

Ok....So?

so my post had nothing to do with Pac's improvement? do you even know how to COMPREHEND? a guy with no or limited skills wouldnt reach Pac status

Yes I can. Something it seems you're struggling with.

Well they could, it's not likely but they could.

And again, what does "a guy with no or limited skills wouldnt reach Pac status" have to do with him improving since 08?

he isnt probably in the top 20? yeah probably higher? if 8 division title, 4 lineal and fighter of the decade was easy to do we'll see in the next 100 year is someone would even get close.

He isn't Top 20, and no not probably higher. He is lower.

It's hilarious. I say he hasn't improved since 2008 and for some strange reason you and the rest of the fanboys take that as an insult. It's the opposite to an insult, and I'm struggling to understand how you can't understand that.

I'm saying he hasn't improved since 08 because he was incredibly skilled, as skilled as he is today, back in 2008. That isn't an insult.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes you're. This is probably the smartest thing you said since joining boxingscene.

still laughing at a none ATG being a top 20 ATG just by beating the likes of Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Marg.

This is what alot of people have done, not only fanboys but 'experts'. And I honestly find that strange.

Although an unquestionable ATG, No one considered Pac a Top 40-50 ATG back in 08, atleast I didn't. And pretty much no lists did that I can recall.

Since then his commerical success seems to have made people go a little loopy. Becaue since 08 he certainly has good wins, but not enough to advance him straight to Top 20, I don't see that, at all.

In 08 I had him around 60 ish, Now I have him around 40, maybe a tad under.