Your top 3 Boxing Movies

[BallisticAffair]

"Million Dollar Baby" was very good, but it was just too manipulative for my tastes.

Bingo. Don't understand all the praise for that one. Well produced on a superficial level, but pappy and pseudo-deep at its core.




I'm probably hard on Raging Bull. It's not unwatchable by any stretch, but in relative terms I find it dreadfully overrated and wayward. Too many points to list here without checking back on the movie and book and collating them. It's the Scorsese/De Niro partnership's big misfire, IMO.

And I prefer De Niro and find him far more on-point in LaMotta's retired years, truthfully, even if he has some good quotables as the younger Jake.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Some great picks there, Cu****uy. Anything on Jack Johnson is usually really good, as was "Unforgiveable Blackness" I think there was recent attempt at federal law exonerating him for what was done to him. Did that pass?

But RE Raging Bull quotes, correct me if i am wrong. But I seem to recall Cathy Moriarity screaming, "His coc*'s bigger than yours." Not the quote you have.


And I agree on the Chuvalo docu. Saw that--an excellent film and story. Hard to believe that he is probably mentally sharper than all those who hammered him!

On Chuvalo: INDEED.

As for the quote, I was going on memory. Maybe you're right. I just love De Niro's response, though, it's like he just forgets what he was upset about and becomes more concerned about who's "bigger". lmao

[BallisticAffair]

I just love De Niro's response, though, it's like he just forgets what he was upset about and becomes more concerned about who's "bigger". lmao

That one is a good one. Nice observation.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Bingo. Don't understand all the praise for that one. Well produced on a superficial level, but pappy and pseudo-deep at its core.




I'm probably hard on Raging Bull. It's not unwatchable by any stretch, but in relative terms I find it dreadfully overrated and wayward. Too many points to list here without checking back on the movie and book and collating them. It's the Scorsese/De Niro partnership's big misfire, IMO.

And I prefer De Niro and find him far more on-point in LaMotta's retired years, truthfully, even if he has some good quotables as the younger Jake.

"I'm da boss, I'm da boss, I'm da boss, I'm da boss, I'm da boss..." lol

"He ain't pretty no more."

Can't say I blame you with "Raging Bull". I like enough about it to re-watch it from time to time.

One of the things that annoyed me terribly about "Million Dollar Baby" was the "Danger" character. If he were ******ed in real life, I wouldn't feel this way, but the actor playing the role just seemed like such a tool playing a mentally handicapped person.

[physiker]

Bingo. Don't understand all the praise for that one. Well produced on a superficial level, but pappy and pseudo-deep at its core.




I'm probably hard on Raging Bull. It's not unwatchable by any stretch, but in relative terms I find it dreadfully overrated and wayward. Too many points to list here without checking back on the movie and book and collating them. It's the Scorsese/De Niro partnership's big misfire, IMO.

And I prefer De Niro and find him far more on-point in LaMotta's retired years, truthfully, even if he has some good quotables as the younger Jake.

Well I read the book too, and posted a few days ago on the discrepancies and omissions.

Book stated that Pesci character was really his friend, not his brother. Jake had ****d women, and wrote that he was impotent unless he was raping. And thought he had beaten someone to death who he robbed. He got away with attempted murder on that one.

So he was even worse character than portrayed. But that's part of what a great Hollyowood flick can do--create sentimentality for otherwise de****able characters. For me Bull also has great music as well as visuals.

I recommend the special edition though to hear all LaMotta's comments. I guess Vicki was the love of his life. He says, (when they show Cathy Moriarity), "yeah this girl's beautiful, but Vicki, COME ON." And then goes on how all kinds of people, including the rich and powerful were always hitting on her and drove the 2 apart.

You gotta love the guy who still thinks she was the most gorgeous woman on earth. She was beautiful from the pics I saw of her when young.

Jake I think is about to be 90 or such. Amazing like Chuvalo.

[CubanGuyNYC]

That one is a good one. Nice observation.

It's that kind of stuff that I get a kick out of with "Raging Bull". The scene where he's screaming out the window at his neighbor features a similar effect. De Niro is so offended that his neighbor called him an animal, after he just got done throwing furniture around and screaming at his wife..."Hey, Louie! Your mother's an animal!!" Priceless. lol

[physiker]

On Chuvalo: INDEED.

As for the quote, I was going on memory. Maybe you're right. I just love De Niro's response, though, it's like he just forgets what he was upset about and becomes more concerned about who's "bigger". lmao

Well maybe I missed that interpretation. Or I disagree. I thought he really believed (in the movie) that his bro f'ed his wife. To his paranoid mind, his wife was just confirming this! I guess the moral is you don't get sarcastic with someone who is in a paranoid state!

And after viewing Jake's comments on the Special Edition, I think my interpretation may be correct, and you might get a laugh.

He still is ranting on who might have Fu*&ed his wife.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Well I read the book too, and posted a few days ago on the discrepancies and omissions.

Book stated that Pesci character was really his friend, not his brother. Jake had ****d women, and wrote that he was impotent unless he was raping. And thought he had beaten someone to death who he robbed. He got away with attempted murder on that one.

So he was even worse character than portrayed. But that's part of what a great Hollyowood flick can do--create sentimentality for otherwise de****able characters. For me Bull also has great music as well as visuals.

I recommend the special edition though to hear all LaMotta's comments. I guess Vicki was the love of his life. He says, (when they show Cathy Moriarity), "yeah this girl's beautiful, but Vicki, COME ON." And then goes on how all kinds of people, including the rich and powerful were always hitting on her and drove the 2 apart.

You gotta love the guy who still thinks she was the most gorgeous woman on earth. She was beautiful from the pics I saw of her when young.

Jake I think is about to be 90 or such. Amazing like Chuvalo.

I always meant to read the book. I've recently read similar comments to yours about the autobiography. I've watched so many films based on "true stories" over the years, that I've later learned were very loose with their facts, that it doesn't surprise me. Less informed individuals are well-advised to do their research before believing Hollywood propaganda.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Well maybe I missed that interpretation. Or I disagree. I thought he really believed (in the movie) that his bro f'ed his wife. To his paranoid mind, his wife was just confirming this! I guess the moral is you don't get sarcastic with someone who is in a paranoid state!

And after viewing Jake's comments on the Special Edition, I think my interpretation may be correct, and you might get a laugh.

He still is ranting on who might have Fu*&ed his wife.

To think that a man might still be obsessed with that after all those years is disturbing.

[physiker]

I always meant to read the book. I've recently read similar comments to yours about the autobiography. I've watched so many films based on "true stories" over the years, that I've later learned were very loose with their facts, that it doesn't surprise me. Less informed individuals are well-advised to do their research before believing Hollywood propaganda.

Yeah Hollywood films always get around that by stating, "based on a true story" or such. I was berated elsewhere for even reading a book on such a bad man (after what I revealed was in his book), to which I replied I did not know he would end up being so bad from watching the film. Still something about Jake makes both the film and the book, good viewing or reading. Much drama.