So I finally watched Cotto vs Mayorga last night......

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Isn't Marg, after needing surgical repair post-Pac fight, more likely to bleed or otherwise be less able to take punches now?

He broke his orbital bone, a common injury in boxing. Breaking a bone isn't a big deal because bones heal stronger than before they were broken. I don't think it will be an issue once he is cleared to fight.

Cotto and Margarito both are past their best but i think Cotto is just the better fighter overall and his skill level will show with everything being equal. I still am very su****ious of Margarito in the first fight and think he used the same wraps he had for Mosley fight.

I don't want to get into the wraps thing because it's been done to death but Cotto was the more skilled fighter the first time. He's always been more skilled than Marg but that isn't going to help him if he can't keep him off of him.

[ny123]

He broke his orbital bone, a common injury in boxing. Breaking a bone isn't a big deal because bones heal stronger than before they were broken. I don't think it will be an issue once he is cleared to fight.




I don't want to get into the wraps thing because it's been done to death but Cotto was the more skilled fighter the first time. He's always been more skilled than Marg but that isn't going to help him if he can't keep him off of him.

Im not trying to have that debate either. I dont see the same thudding power i did before from Margarito and that will be the difference in the fight imo. I do agree with you that his chin and pressure will be big obstacles for Cotto though.

[JmH Reborn]

Mayorga is physically bigger and stronger than both Margarito and Cotto. Cotto is 5'7 on a good day and is naturally a WW. He doesn't have the raw strength of like Trinidad or DLH to keep someone as big as Mayorga off of him. Mayorga came in at 170+. He looked healthy and in shape which was a shocker.

I think Cotto looked very solid and looked like he was getting rounds in. I was most impressed that he finished the fight strong. He took a hellacious body shot in I think round 7 that clearly hurt him and looked like needed a round or two to get his composure back.

I think when Margarito fight pops off, we'll be seeing the controlled aggression from his early years with the cleansing of fundamentals that Steward has employed. Steward has said that he isn't changing anything, just ironing out some fundamental deficiencies that Cotto accumulated over the years of just mowing down folks. I mainly see changes and improvement in his posture and movement. I made a lengthy post on a similar topic a while back that was more in-depth.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Mayorga is physically bigger and stronger than both Margarito and Cotto. Cotto is 5'7 on a good day and is naturally a WW. He doesn't have the raw strength of like Trinidad or DLH to keep someone as big as Mayorga off of him. Mayorga came in at 170+. He looked healthy and in shape which was a shocker.

I think Cotto looked very solid and looked like he was getting rounds in. I was most impressed that he finished the fight strong. He took a hellacious body shot in I think round 7 that clearly hurt him and looked like needed a round or two to get his composure back.

I think when Margarito fight pops off, we'll be seeing the controlled aggression from his early years with the cleansing of fundamentals that Steward has employed. Steward has said that he isn't changing anything, just ironing out some fundamental deficiencies that Cotto accumulated over the years of just mowing down folks. I mainly see changes and improvement in his posture and movement. I made a lengthy post on a similar topic a while back that was more in-depth.

I have to disagree there. Mayorga is 5'9" and even though he came in at 170lbs, you could see he was fading late in the fight and his feet were stuck in concrete.

Margarito is 5'11", he's almost 6ft and that's huge for a 154lb fighter. At fight night, he also comes in close to 170lb but it's a much leaner and stronger 170lbs.

I think you underestimate how strong and big Marg really is. That is what beat Cotto the first time around. Mayorga never made Cotto go backwards in their fight, at least not for a sustained period of time. Against Margarito, Cotto was doing nothing but back tracking. That shows you right there the difference in power and size.

[BorderPatrol]

Mayorga never made Cotto go backwards in their fight, at least not for a sustained period of time. Against Margarito, Cotto was doing nothing but back tracking. That shows you right there the difference in power and size.

Maybe... Or maybe plaster has that affect on a fighter being hit with plaster casts for the first time in his career.

[figzuki]

THIS IS MY FIRST POST SINCE THE LOPEZ LOSS!!! LOL....

I needed some healing time haha...

Margarito's pressure and chin will always bother Cotto but i havent seen the same Margarito pre Mosley/scandal that i saw before and i think Cotto is a much better boxer and will get the close but clear ud. It wont be easy either for either man.

co sign with this....

No doubt i dont' think it's easy, I just think that when Cotto was in his prime and was able to move around, he still got waked down by Margarito.

You could be right though, if Marg is truly past it, then I could see Cotto outboxing him but what I saw against Mayorga isn't very convincing.

Cotto would have to have one last great fight in him to keep Marg off of him.

He will always outbox Margarito, the only reason why Margarito is so dangerous is cuz of that damn chin man!! its unreal....

I thought he looked solid enough.His jab is still effective,and he was doing a good job of timing Mayorga with counter left hooks.But Cotto's always been a fundamentally sound fighter,always been a good jabber with decent counter punching skills - nothing that has been taught to him by Emanuel Steward.



That said,none of that will matter against somebody like Antonio Margarito.Truth is,Cotto just isn't capable of handling a true Mexican warrior like Tony.Too much pressure,too much volume,too much body punching and too many uppercuts for Cotto to overcome.


2011 will be remembered as one of the very worst years in Puerto Rican boxing history.

there may be an unproven reason why Margarito was throwing maybe 20+ uppercuts after the 6th-7th round in that fight, oh and they were left uppercuts too....

now that second bold, i truly agree with,it has been a disastrous year....

I have to disagree there. Mayorga is 5'9" and even though he came in at 170lbs, you could see he was fading late in the fight and his feet were stuck in concrete.

Margarito is 5'11", he's almost 6ft and that's huge for a 154lb fighter. At fight night, he also comes in close to 170lb but it's a much leaner and stronger 170lbs.

I think you underestimate how strong and big Marg really is. That is what beat Cotto the first time around. Mayorga never made Cotto go backwards in their fight, at least not for a sustained period of time. Against Margarito, Cotto was doing nothing but back tracking. That shows you right there the difference in power and size.

No, that just shows the style of fight it is....

Fight I would've loved to see is Margarito against Tito, (don't hate on me for this like i'm looking for a cry for help or something) i'm just saying,two big fighters at their weight, i think would be a good matchup prime for prime...

Do ya'll think Margarito would last 8 rounds with tito like Mayorga did?

The other fight is Mayorga against Margarito,i think this would be a bomb for bomb fight, 2 good chins, bombs away!!!!!

[AllEyesOpen]

First off, what a ****ty fight. I can't believe Mayorga is even a pro boxer at this point. He looked slow, was winging punches and his feet were stuck in concrete.

Cotto on the other hand looked gun shy, he wasn't throwing anything, was standing right in front of Mayorga and was getting hit with punches that 4 years ago wouldn't have touched him.

I know that people here believe that Stewart has done something special with Cotto and that he has more movement but I honestly don't see it. Cotto should be looking great against a washed up bum like Mayorga.

Cotto was throwing 2-3 jabs and following up with nothing....It seemed like he was gun shy or didn't want to step into range. I understand the plan was to box but Mayorga was so wide open for shots it wasn't even funny. Cotto of but a few years back knocks him out in under 4 rounds.

If this version gets into the ring with the version of Margarito that fought Pacquaio, Cotto gets murdered.

If I was Stewart, I would keep as far away from Marg as possible but considering that might be Cotto's only big money fight left, he may have no choice.

No disrespect to Cotto, hell of a fighter but I think he's lost a lot in the past few years and the way he was standing in front of Mayorga and getting hit with slow looping shots, Margarito is not someone he needs to be fighting in the near future.

I gotta agree with you on how the Mayorga fight played out, Mayo was clearly shot to **** and unable to mount a solid offense & Cotto was hesitant to jump on him and end the fight, which he could have done easily.

What this says about a Marg rematch, i don't know but Marg will not be standing there and throwing punches in weak bursts once or twice a round that's for sure.

[JmH Reborn]

I have to disagree there. Mayorga is 5'9" and even though he came in at 170lbs, you could see he was fading late in the fight and his feet were stuck in concrete.

Margarito is 5'11", he's almost 6ft and that's huge for a 154lb fighter. At fight night, he also comes in close to 170lb but it's a much leaner and stronger 170lbs.

He's on the wrong side of 35, so that was to be expected. However he was supposed to fade by round 3, so that shows the level of commitment he made to training. Mayorga has been flip flopping in and out of Jr. MW for over 10 years. He may be 5'9, but his body has been that of a natural Jr. MW for years. Margarito has always been a WW, up until this past year. I think he had some tune ups a bit north of WW a couple of times, but nothing sustained.

I think Mayorga and Margarito are almost the same, physically. I just give the power edge and physical edge to Mayorga. Margarito has rarely been a KO power hitter, unlike Mayorga.

I think you underestimate how strong and big Marg really is. That is what beat Cotto the first time around. Mayorga never made Cotto go backwards in their fight, at least not for a sustained period of time. Against Margarito, Cotto was doing nothing but back tracking. That shows you right there the difference in power and size.

I think in the early rounds of their first fight. It was Cotto who elected to dance around on the ropes from his own volition, nothing that Marg did initially. He didn't attempt to keep it in the center of the ring and conserve his energy, so eventually, the hits took its toll. If Cotto keeps in the center of the ring and touch up the body, then it'll be a different fight.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

THIS IS MY FIRST POST SINCE THE LOPEZ LOSS!!! LOL....

I needed some healing time haha...

Welcome back, I was shocked to man....

He will always outbox Margarito, the only reason why Margarito is so dangerous is cuz of that damn chin man!! its unreal....

Yea it's crazy.

there may be an unproven reason why Margarito was throwing maybe 20+ uppercuts after the 6th-7th round in that fight, oh and they were left uppercuts too....

now that second bold, i truly agree with,it has been a disastrous year....

We won't know, I'm not defending Marg I can only go by what I know. Marg's best punch is the upper cut though, has been before the Cotto fight.

PR will be back, the talent is there.

No, that just shows the style of fight it is....

Fight I would've loved to see is Margarito against Tito, (don't hate on me for this like i'm looking for a cry for help or something) i'm just saying,two big fighters at their weight, i think would be a good matchup prime for prime...

Do ya'll think Margarito would last 8 rounds with tito like Mayorga did?

The other fight is Mayorga against Margarito,i think this would be a bomb for bomb fight, 2 good chins, bombs away!!!!!

Wow, Tito vs Marg would be a classic. I think Marg's chin and pressure would keep him in the fight but in the end, I think Tito's speed and power would win the fight for him. Even though Tito's chin wasn't the greatest and it would be interesting to see how he handled getting hit by Marg.

I see Tito winning a UD, beating on Marg for 12 rounds. Maybe Marg drops him though.

[megadeth]

So I finally watched the Margarito VS Mosley fight last night and I gotta say, Margarito looked like chihuahua shyt. Based on what I say especially in the 9th round, it's not a good idea for Margarito to get into the ring with Cotto anytime soon. He was sloow...dumb and looked very vulnerable. He is simply not the same fighter without his wraps and pre-fight tea.

What do u expect bro? He was still recovering from almost getting his head knocked off the round b4.