Who has the better resume Sugar Ray Leonard or Manny Pacquiao?

[IronDanHamza]

He only truly fought 4 HOFguys. Manny has fought 4 true HOF guys about to be 5 HOF fighters. JMM, Morales, MAB, DLH, Mosely will all be in the Boxing HOF. .

But the point is;

Leonard fought and beat; Hagler, Benitez, Hearns and Duran. Who are not only better names than every HOF'er on Pacqiauo's resume. But they were also ranked #1 in their respective division at the time they fought.

As opposed to all of the HOF'ers Pacqiauo beat, who were not. Apart from Barrera and Marquez.

For that reason alone tells you why Sugar Ray Leonard is simply greater than Manny Pacqiauo.

/thread.

[Stromprophet]

hoya- 1 - Ranked lower than Hearns, Hagler, and Duran. Was old as **** when Pacquiao fought him and couldn't have beaten anyone decent.

From your own list he was ranked 39 by ESPN. Hagler and Hearns were ranked 35 and 37. So......that's debatable.

Didn't everyone say Manny would be too small? Etc, etc. Yeah. And Sugar Ray had been resting for 3 years when he fought a past prime Hagler.

Next was John Mugabi of Uganda, who was 26-0 with 26 knockouts and an Olympic silver medalist. The fight was fought on 10 March 1986 as Hagler had hurt his back and could not fight on the first date booked in 1985. Hagler stopped Mugabi in the 11th round of a brutal fight. Many ringside observers, including analyst Gil Clancy, noticed that Hagler was showing signs of advanced ring wear and age. He was much slower of hand and foot and seemed much easier to hit. He had also completely morphed his ring style from a slick, quick-fisted, boxer/puncher to a strictly flat-footed, stalking slugger to compensate for his loss of speed and reflexes.

Geez....sooooooooooooooooo Sugar Ray Leonard fought a past prime Hagler...yet you are pimping it nonstop.

hatton -1 - Product of facing ****ty competition and beating up bums in the UK, got embarrassed against the only two borderline ATG fighters he faced.

Your points are too one sided and not open. You know I voted for SRL on this thread, I am just presenting the point that a) it isn't *that lopsided* and b) Manny's career isn't over.

Am I wrong of is Kostya Tszyu in the Hall of Fame?

Hatton made Kostya Tszyu quit and Mayweather would never fight him. At the time Kostya Tszyu was considered one of the top P4P fighters in the world.

He won that thru shear guts if you've ever watched that fight. Hatton's problem is he should have went and gotten out of England and a real trainer after that victory. Quit with his out of shape nonsense when not training.

margo -1 - Margarito has the defensive skills of a four year old, and a major cheating controversy in his background that brings his limited achievements into question. Even depicted in the best possible light, he's jack **** in the big picture.

Hard to tell. I'd like to see a rematch with Cotto. Though, Shane did make him look really bad.

mab -2 - This one is borderline like most of MAB's. He's got big wins, but he also has some pretty notable losses.

I don't get this. A) Marco started his career 43-0. I guess if you want to call that an "up and down career" feel free. B) He's never lost more than two fights in a row, and only to pretty darn good fighters. C) He was the absolute man in that weight class when Manny fought him the first time.

That's 1 for the first fight no question. MAB had just beat Erik Morales, and dominated Naseem Hamed and Johhny Tapia leading up to that fight.

Didn't Manny TKO him (in his prime at 29) in 2003, yet didn't TKO him in the rematch? So....he was spent in the first fight, but not the second? Cause, he went the distance in the second.

jmm - 1(disputed) - Lmfao @ Counting this. Apparently you didn't watch their fights.

Is it any more ridiculous than counting SRL fight against Hagler? Manny won one of those fights at the least objectively.

No offense...but this seems real one sided with gaping oversights on your part.

[chiguy91]

@ TS making this just to start some ****!

[Stromprophet]

But the point is;

Leonard fought and beat; Hagler, Benitez, Hearns and Duran. Who are not only better names than every HOF'er on Pacqiauo's resume. But they were also ranked #1 in their respective division at the time they fought.

As opposed to all of the HOF'ers Pacqiauo beat, who were not. Apart from Barrera and Marquez.

For that reason alone tells you why Sugar Ray Leonard is simply greater than Manny Pacqiauo.

/thread.

Well, 1) As being discussed, Sooooo Hagler and Hearns were ranked 35 and 37 by ESPN, and DLH was ranked 39? So that's not close, debatable, etc. Uhhhhh yeah it is.

That's like debating anyone who is close in rankings. Toss Up.

And 2) Hagler was *NOT* in his prime. How are you gonna go by holding a belt? Seriously?

If you are gonna talk past prime DLH, then deal with this:

Next was John Mugabi of Uganda, who was 26-0 with 26 knockouts and an Olympic silver medalist. The fight was fought on 10 March 1986 as Hagler had hurt his back and could not fight on the first date booked in 1985. Hagler stopped Mugabi in the 11th round of a brutal fight. Many ringside observers, including analyst Gil Clancy, noticed that Hagler was showing signs of advanced ring wear and age. He was much slower of hand and foot and seemed much easier to hit. He had also completely morphed his ring style from a slick, quick-fisted, boxer/puncher to a strictly flat-footed, stalking slugger to compensate for his loss of speed and reflexes.

Yeah, Hagler was pretty much shot. DLH may have been past his prime, but he still had his movement, skills, etc.

3) How was Duran ranked #1 on the same weight class as SRL when he came up in weight to take SRLs belt? Uhhhhhhhhhhhh....

I'd rather go by P4P than whether they were #1 contender, belt holder, etc.

At the time Manny fought these guys JMM, MAB, Morales were all top 10 P4P. Cotto was in the top 10 when they fought. Shane is in the top 10 now.

Benetiz isn't even ranked in the top 50 all time, so how is he greater than prime Morales, JMM, MAB when Manny fought them? So noooooooooooooooooo....

Seriously. While I *agree* that SRL is greater all time (at the moment), it's not an open and shut case. Quit over romanticizing the 80s.

[puga]

I saw your case. You're a complete joke, you have zero credibility.

Go post on a site for dudes that worship other dudes.

You are pathetic.

again nothing from you...what kind of cred do you have walty?....lol

and f@ggot ass **** aint my thing, maybe yours but not my thing...

[Stromprophet]

Benitez comes to mind? Huh? Dude your lack of knowledge on the rich history of boxing is alarming.

To be fair he is overshadowed by the era. But he accomplished some tremendous feats. At the time he was the youngest champion in history at 17. The youngest 3 weight champion in history at 22.

He beat Roberto Duran in 15. Lost to Hearns in 15. Lost in the final seconds of round 15 on KO to SRL.

Though, you're still going with Paul Williams there? Can we trust you? (I'm kidding).

[thebowtod]

Everyone always uses duran as an example of how great he was,when in reality, duran was falling off when he fought sugar. I mean the very next fight after leonard ,he lost to pat lawlor, who is a nobody.

[puga]

But the point is;

Leonard fought and beat; Hagler, Benitez, Hearns and Duran. Who are not only better names than every HOF'er on Pacqiauo's resume. But they were also ranked #1 in their respective division at the time they fought.

As opposed to all of the HOF'ers Pacqiauo beat, who were not. Apart from Barrera and Marquez.

For that reason alone tells you why Sugar Ray Leonard is simply greater than Manny Pacqiauo./thread.

i guess we all have to forget that pac has won more div titles then huh, or how he has more lineal titles then huh, or how the hehas more quality wins than ray then huh..yeah, forget all the others factor that pac has an edge over srl...right!...

[IronDanHamza]

Well, 1) As being discussed, Sooooo Hagler and Hearns were ranked 35 and 37 by ESPN, and DLH was ranked 39? So that's not close, debatable, etc. Uhhhhh yeah it is.

That's like debating anyone who is close in rankings. Toss Up.

You obviously didn't read my response to this but I will do it again anyway.

I don't count EPSN as a legit ranking. They have Jake Lamotta in the Top 15 of all time and have the likes of Oscar ranked above Carlos Monzon. Which is an utter joke. Their list holds NO credibility.

If you can provide me a legit list that has Oscar in the Top 50, feel free in doing so.

And again, ESPN and Bert Sugar are NOT credible.

If you are gonna talk past prime DLH, then deal with this:



Yeah, Hagler was pretty much shot. DLH may have been past his prime, but he still had his movement, skills, etc.

Really? Really??? Hagler was shot yet Oscar wasn't? What?

Hagler wasn't shot....

Faded? Yes

Shot? No.

Let's not talk like Leonard was at his best. Leonard was further in decline than Hagler coming off a retirement in a weight class he has never seen. Let's not forget Halger is argubally the greatest Middleweight ever.

3) How was Duran ranked #1 on the same weight class as SRL when he came up in weight to take SRLs belt? Uhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Erm, because Duran beat Leonard....For his Lineage.

Thus, was #1 at WW, when Leonard beat him in the rematch..

I'd rather go by P4P than whether they were #1 contender, belt holder, etc.

At the time Manny fought these guys JMM, MAB, Morales were all top 10 P4P. Cotto was in the top 10 when they fought. Shane is in the top 10 now.

Well, considering P4P ranking didn't exist at that stage in history, that's not really fair, is it?

and Shane isn't Top 10 P4P now.

And all 4 of those names would unquestionbly be Top 5 ranked P4P when he fought them.

Benetiz isn't even ranked in the top 50 all time, so how is he greater than prime Morales, JMM, MAB when Manny fought them? So noooooooooooooooooo....

He isn't. And neither are any of those fighters..

Benitez is argubally greater than all of those names. And is an ATG fighter.

Seriously. While I *agree* that SRL is greater all time (at the moment), it's not an open and shut case. Quit over romanticizing the 80s.

I'm not romanticizing over an era. Why is it every time I rank someone from another era over Pac I am 'romanticizing' over that era?

There are MANY fighters from MANY eras that Pacqiauo is greater than.

Sugar Ray Leonard isn't one of them....

[IronDanHamza]

i guess we all have to forget that pac has won more div titles then huh, or how he has more lineal titles then huh, or how the hehas more quality wins than ray then huh..yeah, forget all the others factor that pac has an edge over srl...right!...

Oscar has more titles in different weight classes than everyone except Pacqiauo.

Do you rank him #2?

Pac has more wins but Leonard has better wins.

Better>>>More.

Leonard fought in a better era than Pac and has better wins than Pac.

He is greater than Pac. Get over it.