Who has the better resume Sugar Ray Leonard or Manny Pacquiao?

[AllEyesOpen]

The guys that voted Pac should wear signs or something, that way we know not to take them seriously.

[da_beast]

The hagler fight was pick em and SRL spluttered and wasnt dominant. I dont think SRL would dominate Pacs opponents like Pac did. Thats why after Pac destroyed Margarito people were saying its quite possible Pac is the GOAT now. They couldnt visualize SRL or Duran do those things.

On the other hand, most people can see Pac would be favoured of beating Duran, Benitez, and Hearns as well.

Its not often I take part in such post from *****'s and *******s but this thread has got to be the worst most idiotic thread I have ever seen on boxing scene. Is this for real? Hearns would beat manny by death. SRL's legacy is 10 times that of manny who fights weight drained or past their prime fighters. This thread is a complete joke.. Biggest pile of bull**** I have ever read.

[$tate of Mind]

I wish I would've got to see SRL fight in his prime. His 14th round KO of Hearns is the best WW fight I've ever seen. I still remember Angelo Dundee telling Leonard, "you're blowing it kid, you're blowing it" and Leonard stormed back for the KO, that's the stuff true legends are made of. Manny Steward looked like he wanted to cry in the post fight press conference.

[BallisticAffair]

well its debateable. No Pac has not beat someone as good as Duran or Hearns, but he also has a lot of other things Leonard has and also a lot more "good wins" as opposed to a few great ones.

Pacquiao has a very large resume and he has wiped out multiple weight classes and done more than SRL. SRL has a few wins over some prime ATG fighters which is also good.

I'll admit though, tough call. For me at least.

Yeah, he really wiped out 135, 140, 147, 154.


"a lot more good wins"?

[IronDanHamza]

Benny came in here and seperated the boys from the men.

Great posts, bro.

[AllEyesOpen]

I wish I would've got to see SRL fight in his prime. His 14th round KO of Hearns is the best WW fight I've ever seen. I still remember Angelo Dundee telling Leonard, "you're blowing it kid, you're blowing it" and Leonard stormed back for the KO, that's the stuff true legends are made of. Manny Steward looked like he wanted to cry in the post fight press conference.

It was indeed one of the best fights i've ever seen, and my favorite fight of all time.

I love how both fighters pulled a complete 180. Hearns started off head hunting then got rocked and boxed Leonard's ear off in the middle rounds. SRL was boxing very well, then he rocks Hearns and he starts head hunting.

In all honesty I don't see May or Pac beating the SRL or Hearns that fought each other that night.

[BoxingTech718]

Yes, that's true. He took a genuinely brutal beating. One thing you have to give Mayweather Sr credit for is heart. He took a nasty beating for many rounds, was hurt many times and never gave in until the ref stopped it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again though; people are completely overlooking a major point because they are obsessed with one fighter and don't know a damn thing about the rest of the sport. Hugh is a classic example. He'll put down a win over Mayweather and al the other guys Leonard beat except for Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez etc while hyping up Pac's wins over guys like Clottey, Diaz etc.

Let me explain again: There were the two major titles then. WBC and WBA. You weren't considered a champion unless you had one of those. IBF came in reasonably soon after that but it was thought of as similar to what the IBO is now ie. meaningless.

Being a contender rated 5th onward was to be thought of as an excellent fighter and is the same as being one of the paper champions today. Holding a vacant WBO title is no different today than it was to be the 5th, 4th, 3rd ranked fighter back then without the title because there was only two titles instead of six!

The highest Clottey was ever ranked was 4th. He also held a vacant title for one fight. You have mentioned that win for Pac numerous times as one of his best. Leonard fought and beat guys who were ranked number one through five, and more, that you put down as meaningless bum fights. Guess what? At the time in that day, they were considered as good or better than beating Clottey, Diaz, and Margarito. They really were. His win over Pete Ranzany was an excellent win as good as Clottey. Unlike Clottey, Ranzany was the number 1 fighter for a number of years at 147.

As were his wins over Randy Shields, Johnny Gant, Muniz, Tony Chiaverini etc. No doubt you'll come back with some ****** comment, but all that tells me is that you have no idea about anything other than Pac and his oppoents, most of which you also don't know about. I was lucky enough to have been there watching those fights and a fan of boxing then. They were all stiff tests and hard fights against top fighters of that time. He dominated guys who were as good or better than most of the fighters you are talking about. You have to get to the understanding that a contender then had more opposition than most titlists do today. With six titles to go around, thus six different rankings there are guys who fight only for the IBF sanctioned opponents. That means the division as a whole becomes diluted greatly. That didn't happen. The number one contender in that era was better and did more than any Clottey, or Diaz did today.

They were all top fighters in the division and would today have been titlists of some sort. Is that the only way you would understand they were as good as beating some paper titlist like Clottey who in any other era but today's would never have been a titlist at all?

You guys really are laughable with your thinking. There are other fighters in boxing's long history apart from the guys that Pac beat you know?

Your thinking is as simple and foolish as me saying this: Ranzany was the number one ranked fighter for years, had a record of 45-3 and Leonard beat him. That's better than Pac's wins over Clottey, Diaz, etc. Better record and higher ranked. You lose.

That's actually a better argument than your "Pac dominated his opposition and that makes him better, even though he was beating guys who had shown massive flaws, had been beaten as bad and worse and weren't actually that great anyway".

I for one (and I'm not nearly alone in this), find it highly amusing that a fighter can be ranked 4th, 5th or 6th and can still be considered a 'world champions' today. It's utterly absurd and this is the type of argument you guys use. The fact is that while that 5th ranked fighter might have some useless 'title', they are still only ranked 5th and that means there are four better fighters above him. To my mind, beating someone who was the number one fighter is a hell of a lot better than beating the 5th best fighter in the division, but who happened to have been given a vacant paper title. That's something that you guys seem to have a lot of trouble grasping.

Just because there weren't the ridiculous amount of titles in every single division back then doesn't mean there weren't number one ranked fighters. Holding some crappy vacant title today while being ranked 5th is still no different than being ranked 5th in the 70's. They still had to go through the division fighting the same highly ranked fighters. They just weren't given some fake ass title against someone who wasn't even ranked either for it. They had to get through more top fighters then though as there were more fighters in boxing in general.

So while you pretend that Clottey (ranked 5th or 6th or something) beating Judah (ranked 7th, 8th or 9th) for some BS vacant title actually means more than it does, Ranzany (ranked 2nd) beating Shields (ranked 3rd) is better than that by far. In fact, it would today, be the equal of when Cotto and Mosley fought without the name value of Mosley.

Maybe that helps put things in perspective for you guys that don't seem to understand that the significance of fighters doesn't diminish over time and that being ranked among the top of your division means as much forty years ago as it does today. Just because they are fighting today and you actually know them and have seen them fight doesn't automatically make them better fighters. The simple fact is that a lot of the guys you talk about as being great opponents today were never even ranked as high as many of the guys you summarily dismiss from Leonard's resume even though they were ranked higher for longer and beat more top fighters.

This Post deserves it's own thread and should be bumped every 5min's.

[Pacdbest]

Its not often I take part in such post from *****'s and *******s but this thread has got to be the worst most idiotic thread I have ever seen on boxing scene. Is this for real? Hearns would beat manny by death. SRL's legacy is 10 times that of manny who fights weight drained or past their prime fighters. This thread is a complete joke.. Biggest pile of bull**** I have ever read.

Cmon! chinny Hearns will be KOED By Pac easy!!

[Las Vegas,]

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I read 80% of this list, and it's same damn *******s you see in every single thread. Most of them I'm surprised to see, except for the bold. Those guys are the ******est of the bunch.

Are people honestly comparing SRL's resume to Manny's? This is a joke.

[Pacdbest]

I wish I would've got to see SRL fight in his prime. His 14th round KO of Hearns is the best WW fight I've ever seen. I still remember Angelo Dundee telling Leonard, "you're blowing it kid, you're blowing it" and Leonard stormed back for the KO, that's the stuff true legends are made of. Manny Steward looked like he wanted to cry in the post fight press conference.

Where did us saw it? Were u watching inside your Mama's womb?? You kids Didnt live long enough to know how it was during those times!

I live in those eras. I'm impressed myself. But when I saw Pac d 1st time in the 1st MAB fight, I was so impressed that my 1st impression was that Pac was as Good as SRL, hearns & Durans.

That was 2003!! 7 later & Pac has accomplished things no other Boxer in history has ever done before. Just remember that pac is a Featherweight, a Former lineal Flyweight champ in his teenage years, But now Dominating the Welterweights, & still aiming for bigger challenges! Get that in your minds Idiots!