Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

[Rome-By-Ko]

Id have to disagree. Ortiz is as seasoned or moreso than Bradley. He has arguably fought better guys and is more polished. His power far exceeds Bradley's and without power you can not beat Floyd or Pacquiao. I think Pac would actually have his hands full because of Vic's size and ability to maintain power even when he's rocked. I say go for it. As long as he boxes and works the body like a maniac he has a good chance.

LMFAO Ortiz has fought better fighters??Why don't we take a peak at a common opponent they had..Peterson was dominated(I felt that was Bradley's hardest fight to date tho)and I believe won like two rds on the scorecards..While Ortiz had two KD and fought to a draw(which imo he lost that fight)..Soo explain how Ortiz is as seasoned as Bradley??Fought better Opposition noway bro..Bradley has fought the most diverse comp at 140lb and at WW in a whole(unless your named May or Pac)..Resume wise Ortiz has a very padded record because he has a lot of build my self up kinda fights on it..Maidana is limited and is his best name on his resume and we seen how that fight turned out for him..Berto would be his second best fighter(but best win because Ortiz won a belt)on his resume and he was unproven so tell me again why do you think Ortiz is as seasoned and fought better fighters??

BTW power means nothing,Bradley has good power bro but it's not his main focus..Bradley imo is a bigger threat then Ortiz to Pac and May..

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Are you sure Pac fighting losers is ya problem with him??Cause if so Pac fought Cotto,Cotto was coming off a win..Hatton was also coming off of wins..Marga's(I hated this fight and had the most problems with it)was coming off a win as well..

Cotto didn't look dominate in his win against Clottey and neither did Hatton who had a terrible training camp with Sr. I give Pac the Hatton win because it was at 140 for the official title. Margarito was looking like crap too in his fight before. Ortiz looked more seasoned and better conditioned then all of them. He took power to give power.

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LMFAO Ortiz has fought better fighters??Why don't we take a peak at a common opponent they had..Peterson was dominated(I felt that was Bradley's hardest fight to date tho)and I believe won like two rds on the scorecards..While Ortiz had two KD and fought to a draw(which imo he lost that fight)..Soo explain how Ortiz is as seasoned as Bradley??Fought better Opposition noway bro..Bradley has fought the most diverse comp at 140lb and at WW in a whole(unless your named May or Pac)..Resume wise Ortiz has a very padded record because he has a lot of build my self up kinda fights on it..Maidana is limited and is his best name on his resume and we seen how that fight turned out for him..Berto would be his second best fighter(but best win because Ortiz won a belt)on his resume and he was unproven so tell me again why do you think Ortiz is as seasoned and fought better fighters??

BTW power means nothing,Bradley has good power bro but it's not his main focus..Bradley imo is a bigger threat then Ortiz to Pac and May..

I have to agree. Bradley fought better guys and looked better than Ortiz at 140.

[studentofthegam]

If he fights either he will be beating badly and his future will be dim to say the least..Why not take long paper over paper right now??How much you think Pac's gonna give him to take that azz kicking he's gonna get??1-2 mill peanuts..When he become a big draw down the line by fighting guy's on his same level..If I GBP I say it's a no brainer and Hoya should now first hand what that azz kicking is going to fell like,he should protect his fighter..

I just think he has always had underestimated skills. Not many people picked him over Berto and he passed with flying colors. I dont think he should take a chance in fighting anyone he cant get hyped for at this point. I kinda look at him and compare him to Vargas in a sense. The difference is that Vargas was doing it off all will at a young age. That was his down fall. Ortiz can actually turn down and box if he needs to. Yeah Vargas took some beating but it was really due to lack of having a gameplan. Ortiz trusts his corner even more now and could really give either of those guys a go right now. I wouldnt view it as cashing out. Look at it this way. Floyd and Pac wont be fighting much longer and by the time they retire the top Jww's will be WW's. So provided Ortiz takes care of himself outside the ring he would be the man at WW for the next 4-5 years (post Floyd and Pac retirement).

[Rome-By-Ko]

I just think he has always had underestimated skills. Not many people picked him over Berto and he passed with flying colors. I dont think he should take a chance in fighting anyone he cant get hyped for at this point. I kinda look at him and compare him to Vargas in a sense. The difference is that Vargas was doing it off all will at a young age. That was his down fall. Ortiz can actually turn down and box if he needs to. Yeah Vargas took some beating but it was really due to lack of having a gameplan. Ortiz trusts his corner even more now and could really give either of those guys a go right now. I wouldnt view it as cashing out. Look at it this way. Floyd and Pac wont be fighting much longer and by the time they retire the top Jww's will be WW's. So provided Ortiz takes care of himself outside the ring he would be the man at WW for the next 4-5 years (post Floyd and Pac retirement).

I won on Victor winning his fight over Berto,so I believe he could win that fight..I also knew something like this would happen,Berto was being hype as a future Pac opponent although he has never really tested the waters against a legit threat at 147lb..And you had some fans that was kool with this(I was not one of umm)now it has shifted to Ortiz and without any of the proving fans are calling for him to fight Pac or May...Do you see the problem here??

I don't have a problem with Ortiz Pac,but I do have a problem with Ortiz Pac right now without Ortiz fighting another WW threat(Karass or Jones)or unifying the belts..It was my same problem with Berto..

Ortiz has no boxing skill what so ever do,he is athletic but skill I don't think so..His athletic ability is good for him because he can move around a bit but boxing I.Q.very low imo..Look at the Peterson fight again bro trust me it will tell ya the story..Vargas(when he was young)had very good boxing skills nice jab set traps decent ring I.Q.Bro..Ortiz not so much(but he can learn I agree)but not if pac's ya next fight ya dig??

Bradley imo beats Ortiz unless Ortiz really fixes the holes in his boxing game..People put way to much stock into power,have we earned nothing from Khan Maidana SRL Hearns Hagler SRL??

[studentofthegam]

LMFAO Ortiz has fought better fighters??Why don't we take a peak at a common opponent they had..Peterson was dominated(I felt that was Bradley's hardest fight to date tho)and I believe won like two rds on the scorecards..While Ortiz had two KD and fought to a draw(which imo he lost that fight)..Soo explain how Ortiz is as seasoned as Bradley??Fought better Opposition noway bro..Bradley has fought the most diverse comp at 140lb and at WW in a whole(unless your named May or Pac)..Resume wise Ortiz has a very padded record because he has a lot of build my self up kinda fights on it..Maidana is limited and is his best name on his resume and we seen how that fight turned out for him..Berto would be his second best fighter(but best win because Ortiz won a belt)on his resume and he was unproven so tell me again why do you think Ortiz is as seasoned and fought better fighters??

BTW power means nothing,Bradley has good power bro but it's not his main focus..Bradley imo is a bigger threat then Ortiz to Pac and May..

Well Like you said they had a common opponent in Peterson. Ortiz had a rough outting and I think he still won but *** "possibles". I think Berto was way more dangerous than anybody Bradley has faced. If you wanna talk variety then look at this Ortiz has Cambell (crafty Veteran who was on a win streak), Peterson (tough tough for anybody around the weight), Berto(powerful, undefeated, can stand and ****), Arnioutis (straight up and down fighter), Diaz (veteran with good power), Harris( classic boxer, kinda washed up but slick), Maidana (considered beastly, brawler, excellent chin, hardest hitter at 140) though it was a lesson learned for Ortiz. I said arguably because Bradley hasnt had much better comp and the "super fight was a dud". Also at the end of the day I think Ortiz would blitz him. Bradley is no stranger to the canvas. If Peterson was Bradley's toughest fight then I dont understand why its so absurd.

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I never gave Clottey any credit,I gave Pac credit for fighting him and making him looked out matched..Which no other fighter was able to do..

You do not give Ortiz any credit for beating Berto because.....

"I'm saying would he really beat another young up in coming hungry fighter at 147lb..Berto imo was not hungry at all"

Well then, how the *** can you give Manny any credit for beating Clottey ?

Are you telling me that Clottey was " hungry " ?

You are wondering if Ortiz can "beat another young up in coming hungry fighter at 147lb"..... well then, how can you not see my point of view?

FACT: The only welter that Pac has EVER fought at 147 is, Josh Clottey.

And because Manny has not fought an opponent who is on top of his game for ANY of his last 8 fights, then I wonder if he "would he really beat another young up in coming hungry fighter at 147lb".

BTW, the only possible way that I will EVER concede on this, is if you tell me who would be a more qualified opponent for Manny than Vic?

FACT: Vic is the most qualified for a Pacquiao fight, end of story.

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I never gave Clottey any credit,I gave Pac credit for fighting him and making him looked out matched..Which no other fighter was able to do..

But romey, Clottey made no effort whatsoever to fight back, and there are huge questions marks hanging over his performance in that fight.

Are you telling me that Clottey was a better victory for Manny than Berto was for Vic?

[studentofthegam]

I won on Victor winning his fight over Berto,so I believe he could win that fight..I also knew something like this would happen,Berto was being hype as a future Pac opponent although he has never really tested the waters against a legit threat at 147lb..And you had some fans that was kool with this(I was not one of umm)now it has shifted to Ortiz and without any of the proving fans are calling for him to fight Pac or May...Do you see the problem here??

I don't have a problem with Ortiz Pac,but I do have a problem with Ortiz Pac right now without Ortiz fighting another WW threat(Karass or Jones)or unifying the belts..It was my same problem with Berto..

Ortiz has no boxing skill what so ever do,he is athletic but skill I don't think so..His athletic ability is good for him because he can move around a bit but boxing I.Q.very low imo..Look at the Peterson fight again bro trust me it will tell ya the story..Vargas(when he was young)had very good boxing skills nice jab set traps decent ring I.Q.Bro..Ortiz not so much(but he can learn I agree)but not if pac's ya next fight ya dig??

Bradley imo beats Ortiz unless Ortiz really fixes the holes in his boxing game..People put way to much stock into power,have we earned nothing from Khan Maidana SRL Hearns Hagler SRL??

It's not putting way to much stock in power but it is essential to beating Pacquiao or Mayweather. If you cant hurt them then you cant win. Thats all. Ortiz has a good jab but has just started realizing the importance of following instuctions. I he had for the whole Berto fight it would have been easy IMO. Looking back on Vargas the only thing he had on Ortiz was head movement which he only used when he got stunned. Very comparable styles just Vargas was less ready for the step up to me and he did well against the likes of Wright and Tito. Even with his undisciplined actions like gaining to much weight between fights. Why not Vic.

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EXACTLY it ain't about how green Ortiz is because none of these posters talking that nonsense care about him in anyway. I believe the fact that he won in such a dominate fashion has all of these people saying Pac would demolish him. Pac ain't fight a young, hungry, fighter/champion in how long? Making Pac out to be so great when he is not even fighting dominate fighters or winners. I'm sick of some of you coming on here protecting Pac. I always here Floyd should fight Paul Williams or Martinez but Pac is too small for them? Martinez should stop ducking Pirog when clearly he is not even in Martinez's league but Sergio is ducking him? Ortiz wins big against an undefeated champion and all of a sudden he ain't ready for Pac? Pac hasn't fought anyone that people thought was good enough to hang with him in a long time. Posters on here always want to bring up that I bet against Pac but not thinking that out of everyone I was the only one that thought atleast it would be competitive when nobody else did.

Call me optimistic or just plain dumb for believing the hype around Pac fights. Ortiz would probably put up a better fight than any of the other fighters Pac fought, put up. So much hypocrisy going on in here that it is ridiculous. Pac can fight all the no hopers in the world but when it comes to a fighter that is winning and or dominate. All of a sudden Pac is too good or small for him? So if a guy like Mosley can't hang with Pac and Ortiz can't hang with Pac, then who is there left to fight? Floyd ain't talking about fighting so who else? Marquez at 147? But not Ortiz right? Everybody made a fuss how Pac beats a bigger Margarito but said Pac is too small to fight Martinez BUT Pac STILL wants to get credit for Margarito at 154? Manny Pacquiao is a fraud. Once I saw the list and the weights for Cotto and Margarito, I just got disgusted. I don't care what none of you say because I know what it is.

Epic post, good stuff.

FACT: Ortiz is the most qualified to fight Pacquiao

Anyone who disagree's with that..... name a more qualified opponent.

Or is it ok for Manny to continue to feed on old faded champions and stiffs for his next 8 fights, as-was the case with his last 8