Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

[Rome-By-Ko]

Yes I do, absolutely.

That's because the hype train has left the station in ya mind homie..I guess one fight against an over hype Fighter changes ya life..Now I'm not surprised why so many brought into the Berto hype LOL..

[Rome-By-Ko]

That is absurd romey, you have the ONLY welter on the bottom of the list

Martinez.....
Forget Martinez, the notion that Pac would fight Sergio is absurd

JMM.....
JMM is a lightweight

Bradley(if he gets by Khan).....
Bradley is second behind Ortiz, he has to go through Vic at 147

Khan(but he does not wanna fight him).....
Then why did you list him? that is scraping the bottom of the barrel

Judah(I would rather see this at this point).....
The bottom of the barrel, has now officially been sc****d

How the *** can you put Judah ahead of Ortiz? Ortiz is the third best welter on the planet, Judah..... is not.

Romey, we will agree to disagree, but you clearly have an agenda here.

The most qualified that was ya question was it not??If so I answered you correctly and gave the answer I believe to be right..Ortiz is not(I repeat Not)more qualified then any of those names up there..Based on resume and what each fighter has proved in the sport so far...I don't give a damn what weightclass Ortiz is in dude has done nothing but beat a hype job and he is the king of the ball..BullS*it....Let Ortiz earn his bones then will talk again ok..

It's not that I don't like Ortiz or have and(funny you should mention agenda one might think you have one bro)agenda..But I'm a heavy believer nobody should be giving anything,Ortiz need to earn his way a lil imo..It's not as if he was a highly ranked Jr WW who moved up to fight Berto and win..He was at the bottom of the rankings(if even Ranked)and was chosen to fight Berto because he was seen as an easy fight..He proved to Berto he was'nt more power to him for it..But now he just get's thrown in with Pac BULLS*IT..IMO you sound like you have more of agenda then me bro..

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Pac was at one time a career strawweight what's ya point??If you are moving up too challenge ya self it is what it is...Funny how JMM can't do this or that but Pac should do this or that..Real funny...

Anyway let's hope Vic test himself,like a young fighter should..It won't matter he is not gonna fight Pac or Mayweather next,but hopefully he does fight his mandatory or Jones or Karass and answer a few questions I have..There are a lot of people falling for the hype I will not be one of umm

Berto is one of those people

And, that is exactly how I feel about Manny.

e.g. I should NOT be able to make the following comment.....

FACT: Victor Ortiz has a better resume at 147 than Manny Pacquiao.

The only welter that Manny has EVER fought at 147 is Josh Clottey.

Berto > Clottey

Front up Pac, fight a live dog for once

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The most qualified that was ya question was it not??If so I answered you correctly and gave the answer I believe to be right..Ortiz is not(I repeat Not)more qualified then any of those names up there..Based on resume and what each fighter has proved in the sport so far...I don't give a damn what weightclass Ortiz is in dude has done nothing but beat a hype job and he is the king of the ball..BullS*it....Let Ortiz earn his bones then will talk again ok..

It's not that I don't like Ortiz or have and(funny you should mention agenda one might think you have one bro)agenda..But I'm a heavy believer nobody should be giving anything,Ortiz need to earn his way a lil imo..It's not as if he was a highly ranked Jr WW who moved up to fight Berto and win..He was at the bottom of the rankings(if even Ranked)and was chosen to fight Berto because he was seen as an easy fight..He proved to Berto he was'nt more power to him for it..But now he just get's thrown in with Pac BULLS*IT..IMO you sound like you have more of agenda then me bro..

*** me..... how about we start discussing Manny's 8th divisional title

Truly selective reasoning right there bro.

Exactly like how you gave Ortiz no credit whatsoever for beating Berto because Berto was "not hungry enough", but then you thought that Manny put on a great performance against Josh "I promise not to hurt you" Clottey

FACT: Victor Ortiz has a better resume at 147 than Manny Pacquiao.

He is the 3rd best welter on the planet, and the OBVIOUS choice for Pac.

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I guess Maidana really did make him ******ed if he thinks he calls the shots over Arum and Pac. He won a paper title from a paper champion. He is afraid to fight Maidana and wants to cash out right away. He would get exposed bad by Clottey nevermind Pacquiao.

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KFC's fans make me LOL.

Next *****'s will say that Manny's fans don't want anyone near Manny that can beat him until Mayweather kicks his ass.

These *****s will say Manny's fans are using every excuse and attempt to discredit worthy opponents for an active Manny is order to protect him while Manny fights wars with the chickens leftovers to acheive the greatest accomplishments ever in the history of the sport.

Bring Marquez over to Top Rank if he has the chicken nuggets to move up to weight divisions and fight Manny at 147. And Manny will answer the *****s who wanted him to fight Marquez. Too bad Marquez is trying to make Manny get old *****s.

Your boy Martinez needs to prove himself and move far away from manny as humanly possible and fight bigger challenges for several years to prove he is worthy!

And the lucky Ortiz who beat "Andre Ernie and Berto" the fraud muppet needs to prove himself by fighting Khan and Bradley and everyone else who isn't worthy yet!

Learn the sport *****s!

[Mikie]

Ortiz should at least try to get revenge against Maidana. Let's face it, he is years away from being ready to fight Mayweather and Pacquiao. He gets hits entirely too much and his defense is awful! He won't win the type of fight he fought against Berto versus Pacquiao. That would be a career killer. (See Fernando Vargas vs Tito Trinidad for a great example of a good prospect with a world title in hand getting ruined by a guy he should have never been in the ring with in the first place). Againist Floyd, he will be schooled for a lopsided 12 round decision. I don't believe he would beat Zab Judah or JMM. If Ortiz is serious about fighting top notch guys, and he's apparently not intrested at a chance to avenge the Maidana loss, there's a name out there he will never mention and it just so happens that he is coming back to welterweight, how about Paul Williams? Enjoy your victory Ortiz! As soon as you get in the ring with a legitimate fighter, your title reign will be short lived.

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That is absurd romey, you have the ONLY welter on the bottom of the list

Martinez.....
Forget Martinez, the notion that Pac would fight Sergio is absurd

JMM.....
JMM is a lightweight

Bradley(if he gets by Khan).....
Bradley is second behind Ortiz, he has to go through Vic at 147

Khan(but he does not wanna fight him).....
Then why did you list him? that is scraping the bottom of the barrel

Judah(I would rather see this at this point).....
The bottom of the barrel, has now officially been sc****d

How the *** can you put Judah ahead of Ortiz? Ortiz is the third best welter on the planet, Judah..... is not.

Romey, we will agree to disagree, but you clearly have an agenda here.

I don't know. Romey is cool but it is looking like it. Why put all of these other fighters ahead of Ortiz when it comes to fighting Pac when Ortiz first fight at WW was a dominate one? If anything, everyone else except Ortiz is too green for Pac. Hell, their not even WW's. Victor Ortiz is the WBC WW champion and I say let the kid make his bones and fight. Out with the old and in with the new. Berto held that belt for YEARS! And he didn't fight anyone and people called him a "Hype job" but now all of a sudden Vic beats him and now he should stay away from Pac? Doesn't make sense because if anything Pac should have fought Berto and not Mosley. That win would have looked and been far more impressive than the upcoming Mosley fight. If these young fighters were so esay for Pac to beat, then I'm sure Arum would make the fights.

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I dig ya,imo Bradley would dominate Ortiz and make him look like a boxing ******..You can not win by power alone,not when you meet a tough opponent who can take what ya have to dish out..

I believe Bradley can win but not believing he would dominate Ortiz. I got the fight at 50/50. Bradley heart cannot be questioned and now Ortiz's can't either and he is strong as an ox. I can see both touching the canvas. Very interesting fight but not a clear winner.

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Ortiz should at least try to get revenge against Maidana. Let's face it, he is years away from being ready to fight Mayweather and Pacquiao. He gets hits entirely too much and his defense is awful! He won't win the type of fight he fought against Berto versus Pacquiao. That would be a career killer. (See Fernando Vargas vs Tito Trinidad for a great example of a good prospect with a world title in hand getting ruined by a guy he should have never been in the ring with in the first place). Againist Floyd, he will be schooled for a lopsided 12 round decision. I don't believe he would beat Zab Judah or JMM. If Ortiz is serious about fighting top notch guys, and he's apparently not intrested at a chance to avenge the Maidana loss, there's a name out there he will never mention and it just so happens that he is coming back to welterweight, how about Paul Williams? Enjoy your victory Ortiz! As soon as you get in the ring with a legitimate fighter, your title reign will be short lived.

So is Pacquiao's. Pac only has speed advantages over fighters but I believe if you put a fighter in there fast or just as fast as Pacquiao with boxing ability and not just standing there and getting hit. Pac would have problems with guys like Bradley and Ortiz. People are over reaching regarding Pac's power. Sure he is strong but his damage is done by accumulation over the course of the fight. You get a fighter in that is not easily KO'd and fights back, then you got a problem for Pac. Just ask JMM. Cotto, Clottey and Margarito where all slow brawlers who relied mostly on their power. Get someone, young, determined and ready to **** and you got a problem for Manny. Manny's style is easier to beat than Mayweather's. Pac relies on his movement and speed. Stick a jab in his face or stomach, then set him up with counters. Manny is clueless. All a fighter would have to do is nullify Manny's speed by disturbing Pac's rhythm. There's a reason why Pac ain't fighting outside of his promotional company other than money for bob. They do not want to see him lose by setting up a competitive fight. As the P4P best, Manny should atleast take on someone coming off of a win or is dominate. Then will see how better Pac has gotten.