Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

[Clint650]

Manny's schedule (should he get past Shane) is already set. He will fight the Cotto/Margarito winner or Cintron (Maybe even Berto now that he has loss. Anyone with a brain should see the pattern.

im afraid of this, but with arum and pac i would expect the worse possible match up. hopefully they listen to the fans this time around. Floyd, the fact that he was at the fight suggests he's interested but until he makes a phone call i wouldnt expect anything from him either. lets hope for the best.

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You're a funny dude Grustler. You always discredit Pacquiao for his opponents while defending Floyd. You've said ATLEAST 10 times in this thread alone that Manny doesn't fight guys who are "young, hungry, champion coming off a dominate wins"... but please tell me when was the last time Floyd Mayweather fought someone "young, hungry, champion coming off a dominate win? Please don't say Hatton. ODLH, Marquez? Nope. And you can't say Mosely either because he wasn't young and hungry. See how that works? You can't hardly find a champion today that fits that critiera. It's obvious your dislike for "Pac fans" fuels your desire to discredit Manny Pacquiao. Whenever someone criticizes another fighter you always label them as Pac fans. Not everyone here is ONLY a pac fan, and it certainly doesn't make their opinion about another fighter invalid just because you label them a "Pac fan". Just because Oritiz had a great showing against a guy, who alot of people believed was unproven and undeserving of the status he was being given, doesn't mean that he is automatically the #1 threat against a guy of Pacquiaos caliber. Two flawed guys went at it and knocked each other down a couple of times in a tough fight, and automatically the winner is good enough to be 'the next guy to beat Manny Pacquiao'? I still don't really understand how Ortiz is considered #3 welter weight after having one fight at the weight and beating a guy that shouldn't have been that high on the list in the first place. It's not like Victor was dominate in any rankings before that fight, why after one fight at WW should he be listed anywhere in the top of the list @WW AT THIS TIME?

I think Victor is good and he has a great chance of working his way up to be even better, but to say he is #3 @ WW at this time and to think he could beat the likes of Cotto, Mosely, hell even Paul Williams AT THIS TIME seems a bit premature. Some people seem to be forgetting there are still a lot of good welter weights out there that aren't appreciated enough. AND some great up and comers that are as good or on par with where Victor Ortiz is now.

How am I discrediting Pac when everyone besides Pac fans basically say the same thing about his opponents? How am I the only one discrediting him? I never said Ortiz is the next guy to beat Pac but homie is hungry and performed great and if he keeps that attitude he just going to get better. Floyd? I don't even talk about Floyd like Pac fans do. The only time I talk about Floyd is when people make up some B.S. BUT as far as I am concerned Floyd ain't even fighting and is not even considered on my top fighters list until he returns. Am I lying about "Pac fans"? Come on man. I dedicated one of my sigs to their posts. When do you ever see me disrespecting people on here like "Pac fans"? I'm on here talking about boxing. I already said Floyd should fight Martinez and I wouldn't mind if he fought Ortiz because I like the sport and want to see good fights. I'm not taking no sides. I'm giving fighters their due. I can't even like a fighter without Pac fans saying I'm on the bandwagon? People on here claim that I hate Pac but everything I have a problem with concerning him is been voiced by many people. Even boxing writers and so forth. Believe what you will but I see and can understand very well from my own point of view. I think the only reason why people think I hate Pac is because I don't give him praise. I read post on here from his fans that totally disrespect Floyd in everyway and now Martinez just because their competition for Pac.

[Clint650]

Manny's schedule (should he get past Shane) is already set. He will fight the Cotto/Margarito winner or Cintron (Maybe even Berto now that he has loss. Anyone with a brain should see the pattern.

Good point, and I agree.

But every single Pacquaio opponent, has hit him with their best shot.

Come on man, Diaz was in a better position than Ortiz is in right now ?

Hatton was in a better position that Ortiz is in right now ?

Clottey was in a better position than Ortiz is in right now ?

Margarito was in a better position than Ortiz is in right now ?

Mosley was in a better position than Ortiz is in right now ?

If you truly believe that those guys were in a better position than Ortiz is now, then you just shredded Pac's recent resume'.

you're joking right?

Ortiz is young, looks stronger than ever, and you can never hold the Maidana loss against him when he was clearly fighting overly aggresive like a young inexperienced fighter would do. he still dropped Maidana more than once which is more than i can say for anyone else. Now he has filled out and looks to be a real welterweight contender, i wouldnt bet against him against any of the top 140 lb fighters even Bradley. i think that fight should happen at 147. Mayweather and Pac need to fight these kinds of fighters. period. its easy to say they would kill them all, but i want to see it rather than brush it off as hype and then watch Pac face another fighter coming off a loss or on the decline. its not fair to these young guys.

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LMFAO..I was thinking the same thing..

Whatever makes you guys feel good regarding me. But fact of the matter is that Pac ain't fighting no one as hungry as Ortiz. Everyone pretty much called all of Pac's fights before he even started training so to say Ortiz is not ready for him is something I can't cosign because according to the sport of boxing. Pac ain't fight nobody worth it since JMM.

[Rome-By-Ko]

you're joking right?

Ortiz is young, looks stronger than ever, and you can never hold the Maidana loss against him when he was clearly fighting overly aggresive like a young inexperienced fighter would do. he still dropped Maidana more than once which is more than i can say for anyone else. Now he has filled out and looks to be a real welterweight contender, i wouldnt bet against him against any of the top 140 lb fighters even Bradley. i think that fight should happen at 147. Mayweather and Pac need to fight these kinds of fighters. period. its easy to say they would kill them all, but i want to see it rather than brush it off as hype and then watch Pac face another fighter coming off a loss or on the decline. its not fair to these young guys.

Can I ask what has change in Ortiz approach in the ring(since the Maidana fight)besides the opponent??He fought Maidana imo the same exact way he fought Berto,but with one big difference..Maidana was game lively and was willing to exchange threw out the fight..Berto was holding laying on the ropes and really just trying to survive..

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you're joking right?

Ortiz is young, looks stronger than ever, and you can never hold the Maidana loss against him when he was clearly fighting overly aggresive like a young inexperienced fighter would do. he still dropped Maidana more than once which is more than i can say for anyone else. Now he has filled out and looks to be a real welterweight contender, i wouldnt bet against him against any of the top 140 lb fighters even Bradley. i think that fight should happen at 147. Mayweather and Pac need to fight these kinds of fighters. period. its easy to say they would kill them all, but i want to see it rather than brush it off as hype and then watch Pac face another fighter coming off a loss or on the decline. its not fair to these young guys.

Finally someone with some sense on here. Manny and Floyd should fight guys like Ortiz and Bradley. Mike Tyson won his first championship title at 20 years old. Just cause guys are young in the sport don't automatically make them in the stay away category. These are the years where they are supposed to be taking it to the guys who held the torch this long. It's funny how they are trying to say I'm bugging for thinking Ortiz has a shot at these guys or atleast be competitive but in the same breath complain about Pac fighting Mosley and Floyd possibly fighting Spadafora. these guys should wait mentality ain't cutting it for me and this is the reason why the sport is hurting because promoters feel like their fighters are not ready so keep spoon feeding them. That's EXACTLY why Berto and Lopez got ****** up because they weren't properly tested. If Ortiz keeps fighting guys he can dominate then he will get lazy and too confident like he did against Maidana.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Whatever makes you guys feel good regarding me. But fact of the matter is that Pac ain't fighting no one as hungry as Ortiz. Everyone pretty much called all of Pac's fights before he even started training so to say Ortiz is not ready for him is something I can't cosign because according to the sport of boxing. Pac ain't fight nobody worth it since JMM.

That's a matter of opinion..Cotto was/is a dangerous fighter,and like I said he I would pick him to beat Ortiz right now..Clottey was a good win,it was Pac's real first WW fight imo..Nobody beat Clottey in the fashion Pac did so imo that say's something..For you to say Pac has not fought anybody since JMM is like me saying Mayweather has not fought anybody since JLC..Now while I don't think this is the case can you see the train of thought behind it??

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Can I ask what has change in Ortiz approach in the ring(since the Maidana fight)besides the opponent??He fought Maidana imo the same exact way he fought Berto,but with one big difference..Maidana was game lively and was willing to exchange threw out the fight..Berto was holding laying on the ropes and really just trying to survive..

Berto knocked Ortiz down twice. That hammer Berto dropped on Ortiz in the 6th looked way harder than that Maidana shot. Say what you want about Berto and I would probably agree to most but one thing he has is pop. Victor may or may not have fought Maidana the same way but the only difference this time is that Ortiz won. I watched that fight and Ortiz fought very good for his style. Maybe Pac/Floyd can or can't beat Ortiz down but atleast lets see the fight. Ortiz is the WBC WW champion. Are you saying that Ortiz should just sit on the title like Berto did? I would say. 1 more tough fight for him and if he performs the same or even better than the Berto fight against a someone that is legit and good. Then put him in with Pac or Floyd. I think Floyd would fight him and I wouldn't be mad at him if he did. Ortiz needs all the experience he can get in the ring.

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That's a matter of opinion..Cotto was/is a dangerous fighter,and like I said he I would pick him to beat Ortiz right now..Clottey was a good win,it was Pac's real first WW fight imo..Nobody beat Clottey in the fashion Pac did so imo that say's something..For you to say Pac has not fought anybody since JMM is like me saying Mayweather has not fought anybody since JLC..Now while I don't think this is the case can you see the train of thought behind it??

I understand your point of view and both Floyd and Pac after awhile went for the cash but the difference between them is that Floyd fought for his titles since JLC at the legit weights. Another thing Floyd has over Pac is the Mosley win at 147. Mosley was ranked #1. Clottey didn't even fight. Clottey stunked up the place and not blaming Pac but come on man. Clottey a good win? What did Clottey do to deserve a Pac fight? He lost all of his big fights with exception to Judah. Pac beat Clottey and more power to him but that win ain't impressive. Baldomir was a better win than that considering Baldomir had the Lineal title but Floyd gets criticized for Baldomir but Clottey is a good win for Pac? Cotto has pop in his punches but that's
about it. Ortiz would probably pressure Cotto and pressure shakes Cotto. Listen, we can all agree to disagree but right now I want to see Ortiz fight another top fighter and then I can see for myself. How will he get better if he avoids the best fighters for the big money fights?

[Rome-By-Ko]

Finally someone with some sense on here. Manny and Floyd should fight guys like Ortiz and Bradley. Mike Tyson won his first championship title at 20 years old. Just cause guys are young in the sport don't automatically make them in the stay away category. These are the years where they are supposed to be taking it to the guys who held the torch this long. It's funny how they are trying to say I'm bugging for thinking Ortiz has a shot at these guys or atleast be competitive but in the same breath complain about Pac fighting Mosley and Floyd possibly fighting Spadafora. this guys should wait mentality ain't cutting it for me and this is the reason why the sport is hurting because promoters feel like their fighters is not ready so keep spoon feeding them. That's EXACTLY why Berto and Lopez got ****** up because they weren't properly tested. If Ortiz keeps fighting guys he can dominate then he will get lazy and too confident like he did against Maidana.

Ortiz and Bradley are not on the same level are ya kidding me!!!Ortiz was not even highly ranked at 140lb if ranked at all..He damn sure was not ranked at WW,Ortiz(be clear)was only picked as an opponent of Berto because he was perceived as a weak opponent..He is in noway a better position then Bradley and he is not as big as a threat tbh either..Look at the resume and win's and loses it will tell the story..