How many of Ortiz's Titles weren't at a Catchweight?

[Russian Crushin]

No im saying they both wanted the fight and Bob Arum wanted the fight so the fight got made.

Winning? LOL....you're not even saying anything thats relevant. What is the significance of what you're saying?

Its significant because since Berto "chose" Ortiz, he didnt come in Drained, but since Pac chose Cotto, cotto can in drained

Only logical thing that he can be suggesting. Otherwise the point he is trying to push has as much significance as "Berto signed the contract on a Sat while Pac signed it on a Tuesday"

Dude is just throwing out random insignificant facts

[Rick Grimes]

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1...each-agreement

I already posted that.

He doesnt seem to believe that they signed a contract on what they agreed.

Fighters agree to fight all the time and then change things before signing the contracts. All i want is confirmation that the fight was signed with the catchweight in the contract.`

[onechance87]

well i just asked on twitter and this is what i got(dunno if these 2 guys would know the whole scoop but they are boxing writers lol)

@danrafaelespn @stevemaxboxing was ortiz vs berto a catchweight?
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Steve Kim
@JaimeR_ -- no catchweight
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there u go guys,Now a suck a dlck putoz

[Bushbaby]

What does that even mean?

If Cotto didnt choose Pac, then they Would not have fought

Was there a gun put to his head telling him to fight Pac? If not then he chose Pac

You're bringing in some trival facts that bear nothing to the situation

That's just ******,no one turns down the cashcow.Glad U agree that it was fact.Trivial,though all depends on how U want to see it.If Pacman came to my door & said he wants to fight me & offers me 2 million to fight at 144,U better believe that my 185 lb a$$ will literally starve myself to fight him,knowing the out come already,I believe that U would too.

But U cannot sit there & say the fact was trivial,when that's exactly my point & nothing else.If someone says that all planes are engineered to fly,that's a trivial fact.But if someone says not all planes are engineered to break the sound barrier,that is not trivial.

[Rick Grimes]

Just got a pm.

i just asked steve kim on twitter and he replied no catchweight

@danrafaelespn @stevemaxboxing was ortiz vs berto a catchweight? i know it was talked about but no one ever said anything after
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Steve Kim
@JaimeR_ -- no catchweight
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http://twitter.com/#!/stevemaxboxing

Looks like there was no catchweight.

[Xeraser]

Actually,U don't know.I have never said I don't give Pacman credit for beating Cotto.What I said was why did his team feel the need to demand a catchweight,period.Would full weight make a difference,who knows,but team Pacman did ask for it.

Ortiz wasn't supposed to win,Pacman was favored to win.That is also another difference between the 2,imo.

Why PAC needs a catchweight against Cotto? Well anybody can be a genius after the fact but in hindsight this is essentially PAC first venture above 140. Remember Oscar fight doesn't count. Vegas put 2-1 odd in favor of PAC but experts were split halfway. I remember what Fischer said if Larios put PAC against the rope and put him in ***** street then imagine what Cotto can do to him.

[Horvo]

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http://twitter.com/#!/stevemaxboxing

Looks like there was no catchweight.

Here's another article citing Ortiz's manager.
http://allaboutboxingnews.com/offici...ach-agreement/

Am I the only one remembering people talking about this before the fight?
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=473364

Or when negotiations were taking place?
http://www.boxingscene.com/berto-vs-...n-issue--35357

[Dsanchez]

sometimes it feels like the people on this site have to ALWAYS find a reason to hate on a good fight or a good performance!!! catchweight or not that was a ****ing good fight!

[Rick Grimes]

Here's another article citing Ortiz's manager.
http://allaboutboxingnews.com/offici...ach-agreement/

Am I the only one remembering people talking about this before the fight?
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=473364

Or when negotiations were taking place?
http://www.boxingscene.com/berto-vs-...n-issue--35357

Just because they mention it in negotiations doesn't mean it was in the contract that was signed.

[-Boxzilla-]

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http://twitter.com/#!/stevemaxboxing

Looks like there was no catchweight.

So then PAC remains as the catchweight king?

Well if that's true I'm glad. I hate catchweights not matter what fighter is doing them.