I'd give Ortiz a better shot at beating Mayweather than Manny...............

[jtiger777]

lol..wow now ortiz is better than manny and can beat floyd??damn people are high off of that CLOSE win over berto..did you not see how sloppy that fight was..defense wasnt invited.....good brawl,but there was 0 boxing involved and floyd wouldnt get ****** in like that.....but id love to see that fight

nobody said that man we all know floyd would beat ortiz but his style would give him trouble, hes not better than manny... styles styles styles is the point

[Dynamite Kid]

not a word about manny's footwork, angles, or speed or foot and hand.

lulz.

Ortiz's southpaw stance? but not manny's? better power? consistency? since when has ortiz ever been a pillar of consistency?

Manny's footwork on offense is not that great, as was evident in the Cotto fight when he couldn't seem to cut the ring off effectively. Manny does have that rock back and fourth motion before exploding in with his power hand, but against a sharp counter puncher like Mayweather, that's as dangerous as it as a weapon, particularly as he has a counter right uppercut he can bring into play.

Manny only changes angles when he's hit you, cause once he's hit you, he puts his punches together in rapid-fire combo's and can disorganize you, then once he's got you disorganized, he can slide out the side door, and mount another attack, but as I say, what happens if you can take away his left hand? Cotto gives you an easier target to be able to pin him down with your first punch cause he leans his head foward, meaning his (head)target area is closer to your power hand, but a conventional fighter who fights with his weight evenly distributed, and doesn't lean in with his head, keeps his target area further away.

[Pacquiao'd]

id like this for a comback/tune up fight but i just dont want to see ortiz confidence broken again by fighting floyd

[sidneycello]

ORTIZ is Great But.......ORTIZ JAB? He Landed 15 / 126 in the Berto Fight,that's 12%, now subtract the fact that Floyd has the best defense in the fight game do you think he'd actually land more against hime then he would against Berto. His style fits Mayweather because he's a come forward boxer who floyd could time. Him being a big Welterweight southpaw does help. I think Manny is still a better challenge, in that Pac-Man is just on a roll right now and can bring out the best of Floyd.

[DrewWoodside]

I aint joking Larry.

Manny is wide open up the middle of his guard cause of the way he fights with his hands glued to the side of his head, he also moves his head in a predictable rhythm, so the lead right hand will break his momentum as he rolls foward, as will the jab which Cotto and Morales utilized against him, as you need to actually parry/block punches to fend of a jab. Manny also shoots in with his left hand without having created his openings with the jab, so the counter uppercut might be there as he shoots in, all that without talking about the fact that Mayweather will also offset him with lateral movement, that he's considerably longer than him. Manny is 5ft 6 with something like a 66 inch reach.

I think Ortiz's southpaw stance, better fundamentals, power, consistency, would offer up as much problems, or at least more of a puzzle as to who might win.

Call me presumptuous, but I feel I already know how Manny-Mayweather's fight plays out, however Ortiz's, not so much. Maybe Ortiz doesn't beat Mayweather, but its a more intriguing fight to me, than what Manny-Mayweather is.

Nice, and when things are looking bleak... DK Doubles Down!

[DrewWoodside]

Manny's footwork on offense is not that great, as was evident in the Cotto fight when he couldn't seem to cut the ring off effectively. Manny does have that rock back and fourth motion before exploding in with his power hand, but against a sharp counter puncher like Mayweather, that's as dangerous as it as a weapon, particularly as he has a counter right uppercut he can bring into play.

Manny only changes angles when he's hit you, cause once he's hit you, he puts his punches together in rapid-fire combo's and can disorganize you, then once he's got you disorganized, he can slide out the side door, and mount another attack, but as I say, what happens if you can take away his left hand? Cotto gives you an easier target to be able to pin him down with your first punch cause he leans his head foward, meaning his (head)target area is closer to your power hand, but a conventional fighter who fights with his weight evenly distributed, and doesn't lean in with his head, keeps his target area further away.

Assuming all this is very possible, wouldn't it still be easier to take away Ortiz' jab and avoid his cross with a shell than it would be to disarm Pacquiao's left who has consistently been breaking down elite opponents? Especially considering the majority of confidence in Ortiz stems from a single fight?

What you're asking Mayweather to do to Manny is more difficult than what he would need to do against Ortiz. Disarm Pacquiao's left or disarm an inconsistent Ortiz with one fight at the weight class who mostly sets his feet, squares and loads up power punches.

[flem1]

Manny's footwork on offense is not that great, as was evident in the Cotto fight when he couldn't seem to cut the ring off effectively. Manny does have that rock back and fourth motion before exploding in with his power hand, but against a sharp counter puncher like Mayweather, that's as dangerous as it as a weapon, particularly as he has a counter right uppercut he can bring into play.

Manny only changes angles when he's hit you, cause once he's hit you, he puts his punches together in rapid-fire combo's and can disorganize you, then once he's got you disorganized, he can slide out the side door, and mount another attack, but as I say, what happens if you can take away his left hand? Cotto gives you an easier target to be able to pin him down with your first punch cause he leans his head foward, meaning his (head)target area is closer to your power hand, but a conventional fighter who fights with his weight evenly distributed, and doesn't lean in with his head, keeps his target area further away.

You mentioned Ortiz's consistency being better than Manny;s.. Ok, how did you come up with that conclusion? If anything, Ortiz is one of the inconsistent boxers currently.

[Dynamite Kid]

Assuming all this is very possible, wouldn't it still be easier to take away Ortiz' jab and avoid his cross with a shell than it would be to disarm Pacquiao's left who has consistently been breaking down elite opponents? Especially considering the majority of confidence in Ortiz stems from a single fight?

What you're asking Mayweather to do to Manny is more difficult than what he would need to do against Ortiz. Disarm Pacquiao's left or disarm an inconsistent Ortiz with one fight at the weight class who mostly sets his feet, squares and loads up power punches.

I dont think Mayweather would be as effective shelling up against a lefty, as he would be bending into the power hand, and would get hit imo, so offering up a stationary target against Manny or Ortiz, is not a viable option imo.

Good question to be fair.

I think Mayweather could offset Ortiz with his movement, but he would still have to land to score, and I guess being that Ortiz is a southpaw, one who stays within the confines of his technique, that Mayweather might not find that as easy to do that without trying to engage Ortiz more than he's like, as Ortiz tucks up fairly well, to the point where maybe the punches what land, might not be as visible to see, that Mayweather maybe wouldn't be presented with as many clear cut countering opportunities, as Ortiz is more measured and precise with his attacks most the time. I also think that Ortiz's power could be an interesting factor, particularly given that Mayweather has been nailed more against left handers than anyone.

I think what would be most interesting though, is what if Mayweather wasn't able to be effective enough offensively whilst Ortiz is the one coming foward, would he then have to be more aggressive? cause against almost every southpaw Mayweather has fought, he's been the aggressor.

The reason I think Mayweather has been the aggressor in those fights, is cause southpaws are used to the posture your presenting, and so tend to be more effective when its a Boxing match where by its a slow tempo, so the orthodox fighter can often resort to applying pressure cause he's getting outboxed by the lefty, cause he's more used to the posture your presenting to him, than the one he's presenting to you.

Ortiz having a longer reach is a factor to.

Ortiz wont have to force the issue and leave himself open as much to be effective imo, Manny will, but the issue is not which is harder to deal with psychologically imo, cause whether Manny is making Mayweather fight at a faster pace than he would like, Manny will still be offering up more counter punching opportunities, neglecting his defense, and simply losing rounds due to getting hit with the cleaner more accurate punches. Hatton made Mayweather fight at a faster pace than he would of liked, and I know Manny is better than Hatton, but the point is, a guy who applies pressure and neglects his defense, is not going to beat Mayweather imo.


A bad defense can lose you a fight imo, whether you have success in the fight or not.

[Dynamite Kid]

You mentioned Ortiz's consistency being better than Manny;s.. Ok, how did you come up with that conclusion? If anything, Ortiz is one of the inconsistent boxers currently.

I dont remember making a direct comparison between how consistent Ortiz is compared to Manny.

[loui_ludwig]

Victor comes forward and has been hurt before, his made for Floyd.